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Philips
04-04-2011, 09:37 AM
Did you try and test the changes in the App Gallery?
Looking forward to read your remarks.

(Did you notice the changes on the "open internet" page too?).

Corneel
04-04-2011, 11:21 AM
It works nice! This is a big improvement.
If you now do a "clear Net TV memory" and loose all settings you can fast add the Apps back to your Net TV homepage.
The loading of the preview is a bid slow, but you do not have to wait for that, just press add.

The change on the open internet pages was needed too.
Now your favorite URL's are remembered if you mark them. Good!
How many favorites can we store?

Toengel
04-04-2011, 04:38 PM
Hi,

first impressions:

The good ones:
- good update compared to portal 2.5 => usability is improved
- translation errors (German ones) are fixed

The not-so-good ones:
- PIP video aspect ratio: fixed partly
=> 4:3 broadcasts are stretched to 16:9 - so, wrong aspect ratio
- OpenInternet: the (X) in the top left corner (to delete last visited website) is not clear (from a usability point of view)
- OpenInternet: if no website is marked as favorite a nice tool tip can be seen (that one can mark a website as favorite): however, the German translation does not fit in that box => does not look good
- OpenInternet: the tool tip mentioned above does not state where to find the option to mark a website as favorite (in my German translation) => the tool tip should state that one could mark a website as favorite by pressing the option key on the remote

The bad ones:
- Switching between Net TV Home and OpenInternet or App store interrupts PIP-sound:
=> http://www.supportforum.philips.com/showthread.php?1286-Switching-between-Net-TV-Home-and-OpenInternet-or-App-store-interrupts-PIP-sound

However, in IP-EPG switching from channel overview to a special broadcast information site the PIP sound does not interrupt...

Toengel@Alex

daL
04-04-2011, 05:49 PM
Great job Phil, thanks!!
I really like the changes which all are improvements.

Some other suggestions:
- when adding favorites, currently new favorites are placed BEFORE existing ones whereas it feels more natural to place them AFTER existing ones.
- make favorites drag & droppable just like NetTV apps
- remember the zoom percentage (at least for sites which have been marked as favorite)
- in the online keyboard when keeping a navigation key pressed (up, down, left or right), keep the key selector moving after a short delay. This will speed up selecting characters.
- even more faster will be a keyboard which looks like an keyboard on a telephone for SMS messages (this keyboard could just be an additional one to the four existing ones: uppercase, lowercase ... )

Toengel
04-04-2011, 07:01 PM
Hi,

the following issue is also present with portal 2.6: http://www.supportforum.philips.com/showthread.php?1285-Loading-of-Commercials-is-impeding-the-usage-of-Net-TV

Toengel@Alex

smart
04-04-2011, 07:08 PM
Hi,

the improvements are good, they are really helpful and will make NetTV more user friendly.

I like the dropdown list to choose previously visited sites.

I could find out the following bugs:

German text with the tip to add favorites does not fit into the box
Dailymotion does not work since today, worked before, but unsure if the update is the root cause


Possible improvement:

When selecting an app in the app gallery, it might be nice to start the app without adding it. Just a menu item to load it directly.


Greets and thanks for the update!

carlosfm
04-04-2011, 08:41 PM
Curious, Dailymotion doesn't work here, for months.
It starts a yellow progression bar, gets to the end and... nothing.
Black screen with yellow bar.
I've tested now with the new 2.6 portal and it's the same.
It may not be related with the NetTV portal, but still... why doesn't Dailymotion work?

Some months ago I could enter Dailymotion but inside the navigation locked up, it was unuseable.

Nettle
04-04-2011, 08:54 PM
Seems to be a little bit faster than the past.

Dailymotion since December still doesn't work. Why Philips has declared it as "fixed" is still unknown.

regards

Toengel
04-05-2011, 06:36 AM
Possible improvement:

When selecting an app in the app gallery, it might be nice to start the app without adding it. Just a menu item to load it directly.


Hi,

yeah - A "TRY" button would be great!

Toengel@Alex

smart
04-05-2011, 06:52 AM
yeah - A "TRY" button would be great!
Toengel@Alex

Yes, this is what I mean. Currently I add apps, but remove them later on, because I don't use them regularly.

bta
04-05-2011, 06:05 PM
Hi,

good impovement at all. This is one step ahead with NetTV.

What I miss at open internet: Arrow keys on the left an right hand side of the previous visited pages in order to scroll trough the priviously visited pages. The actual implementation only shows the 4 latest ones and I have to remove the first entry in order to see the 5th but this means the first is gone.

regards
bta

Update #1:

As an idea for the next "improvements": http://www.supportforum.philips.com/showthread.php?1068-We-like-a-clock-at-NetTV-home&p=3679&viewfull=1#post3679

Update #2:
Portal crashes after playing arround in open internet and App Gallery.

Update #3:
A "p4c" App will be cool. In my case this means the content of http://www.p4c.philips.com/cgi-bin/dcbint/cpindex.pl?ctn=40PFL7605H/12&scy=DE&slg=de&link_origin=de_de_CP%3Amain%3A40pfl7605h/12%3Aconsumer_goto-p4c but optimized for NetTV. I think this will in general be interesting for a kind of improved "User manual".

Toengel
04-05-2011, 06:21 PM
Hi,

@bta
good point...

Toengel@Alex

ahasver
04-05-2011, 10:42 PM
With my 8404 I don't see any improvements. May be, its faster. May be, changes in Apps gallery are only releated to PiP, that isn't implemented in 2009 devices.

The only change I see is in design of open internet. There are now 8 places for favourites.
But for that 8 URLs I did remember in history of called pages were left. Only the newest 4 did remain.
Before I did use the history like a favourite list. And the 12 places where an improvement over the 8 in NetTV 1.0. Now only the last 4 called URLs stay visible in history pages. If I press "back" in the input line I get an other history, may be, there are now more places but the old one (bevore 2.6) are lost.
Indeed, favourites are more intuitive then places in history and prevent from overite by new URLs. But only 8 places are too less.

And helpfull would be, if I could edit URLs from history before calling the Page. Usefull for correcting misspelled URLs.

Edit/update:

Ok, Now I did find out the new behaviour in adding Apps from gallery. Yes, this is indeed much more intuitive then before.

My wishes in improving navigating in App gallery would be
* hide known but unwanted Apps (like channels in channel list)
* better jumping from page to page: if I choose a jumping point on the left this point (page number) isn't remembered to start from if I like to jump to next page, alternative page jumping by p+/p- key
* alternativ order (alphabetic, newes added first, ...)
For would be more important
but great would be

smart
04-06-2011, 06:03 AM
I found one more bug, to resconstruct, follow these steps:

1. Open the App Gallery
2. Select an app category, like Video or Entertainment
3. Only apps of this category are shown, select one app and add it without moving it

Then, afterwards, you see the app gallery, which shows a list of all the apps. The selected category is still the one you have selected in step 2. This is a kind of inconsistent behaviour. If you only want to see the apps of the category you selected in step 2, you have to select another category and then go back to this category.

I would expect, that only apps of the selected category are shown. If all apps are shown, category should be all.

Hope I could make it clear.

Greets

Philips
04-06-2011, 10:15 AM
I found one more bug, to resconstruct, follow these steps:

1. Open the App Gallery
2. Select an app category, like Video or Entertainment
3. Only apps of this category are shown, select one app and add it without moving it

Then, afterwards, you see the app gallery, which shows a list of all the apps. The selected category is still the one you have selected in step 2. This is a kind of inconsistent behaviour. If you only want to see the apps of the category you selected in step 2, you have to select another category and then go back to this category.

I would expect, that only apps of the selected category are shown. If all apps are shown, category should be all.

Hope I could make it clear.

Greets

Excellent observation SMART! Thank you for reporting this! Yes, you found a bug. To be fixed with the next release. (You certainly have the right name on this forum:)).

Freddy
04-06-2011, 11:02 AM
First of all, it works very well for me! :)

But... :p of course I have a few requests for improvement:

- please add external (SCART/HDMI) sources to PIP,
so that people who use external decoders can also see the picture while in Net TV;

- recognize the correct aspect ratio of the source,
now all sources are simply stretched causing, for example, analogue tv PIP to be incorrect all the time
(4:3 is stretched to 16:9, and letter boxed 16:9 is stretched to letter boxed 21:9);

- and please make Net TV a separate Smart Picture source,
so that you can select special settings for Net TV,
currently the Smart Picture (and Sound) setting for Net TV is always the same as your last selected source.

That would be great! :cool:

Toengel
04-06-2011, 11:39 AM
Hi,

@Freddy,

Full Ack!

Toengel@Alex

Adamo
04-10-2011, 05:39 PM
Hi,

I like the last Portal update, great job Philips! :)

I use most of the time the new app "Tune in Radio", it works very well!

Just a suggestion: is it possible to add an option to power off the tv screen, so we can save the power and continue listen to the radio? (the green button doesn't work)

Adamo

Toengel
04-10-2011, 06:13 PM
Hi,

to mute screen in Net TV see: http://www.supportforum.philips.com/showthread.php?997-Howto-quot-Mute-screen-quot-in-Net-TV-Application-(Energy-saving)&highlight=howto

Toengel@Alex

Adamo
04-10-2011, 06:17 PM
Hi Toengel@Alex,

Thanks a lot!

Adamo

smart
04-11-2011, 07:18 PM
I want to add a screenshot to visualize the translation problem I described in my first post:
http://img703.imageshack.us/img703/594/cimg5670.jpg

bta
05-25-2011, 05:53 PM
Hi,

the new portal 2.6 is really slow. When starting NetTV via the Home Button it takes several seconds until the hole page is ready. This is very annoying and seems to be worser since FW 140.36.

Regards
bta

Toengel
05-25-2011, 06:47 PM
Hi,

I also recognized that since firmware 140.36 it becomes slower and slower. It seem something has changed with the network stack. First, it takes minutes till the network connection is established, then the ads loading procedure prevents me to move around in Net TV...

Toengel@Alex

smart
05-26-2011, 06:12 AM
Hello,

I could not recognize a slower loading since the update. I would even say it is a little better, but could be faster.

But I recognize, that it takes very long for the advertisement to load and NetTV is not usable until the advertisment is loaded. This takes really long. But we should have another thread for that somewhere in the forum.

Greets

Toengel
05-26-2011, 06:35 AM
But we should have another thread for that somewhere in the forum.

Hi,

yepp - see: http://www.supportforum.philips.com/showthread.php?1285-Loading-of-Commercials-is-impeding-the-usage-of-Net-TV

Toengel@Alex