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msorin
06-02-2011, 07:42 PM
I own the 47PFL8404H since a little more than one year and I am overall happy with it.

But, I am missing a feature which would make the TV simply the best on the market:
Recording video on a hard drive (either connected via USB or accessible on the network (e.g. NAS) )

I am not familiar with the other Philips products except of the one i own, so I don't know if the feature exists in other devices.

Does Philips consider to add such a feature in its TVs with USB and/or network support and, of course, especially in the model I wrote above ?

Thanks
Sorin

Oscar
06-02-2011, 08:57 PM
Hi as far as I read and heard this feature will be included in 2K11 Tvīs

Manuel
06-03-2011, 02:31 AM
Recording is very limited on all Brands ( you can only see on the Tv because of DRM, and you have to format the HDD to work on TV), and even more on Philips, itīs only for rental on-line film.

msorin
06-03-2011, 08:12 AM
Recording is very limited on all Brands ( you can only see on the Tv because of DRM, and you have to format the HDD to work on TV), and even more on Philips, itīs only for rental on-line film.

Well, I don't agree with this approach.
If such a feature exists, it is user's responsibility to respect the copyrights and not the manufacturer's.
Otherwise, all stereo recorders should be banned because there are definitely some users who use them to record copyrighted content.

It would be nice to see an official roadmap of the upcoming features coming from Philips.

Philips
06-03-2011, 09:14 AM
Hi msorin,

Recording from TV onto USB-HDD or network-based storage solutions (e.g. a NAS drive) will not be possible with your 47PFL8404H.

Philips will introduce TVs with USB recoding functionalities (which also includes Timeshift recording on USB mass storage devices) this year with the current 2k11 TV range.
This functionality will be supported by all 2k11 TVs from 6000 series sets upwards (for the 6000 series a software update is needed in order to activate this functionality).
There will only be support for recording onto USB mass storage media. In order to follow several security regulations, the USB HDD will be formatted with EXT3 file system which also implies that there is not specific size limit for the HDD.
Please mind that recording onto network storage media (NAS) will not be supported!

The USB HDD should have a capacity of at least 32GB (or exceeding this) in order to provide enough space for the timeshift recording feature.
A scheduled recording is only possible by using the internet-based IP-EPG. Therefore, an existing network connection is required to support this functionality. However, the timeshift recording feature will not depend on an existing internet connection.

Regards,

msorin
06-03-2011, 09:59 AM
Thanks for the prompt reply.

So, just to make sure that I understand correctly:
You say that this feature will not be possible on my TV.

But, you also write that the feature is going to be supported in the new firmwares from the 6000 series upwards.
Doesn't it automatically mean that also my device, which is 8000 series, will be supported (through a software update) ?

Btw, I hope you realize that EXT3 will make the feature quasi unusable for 99.9% of the users.
I strongly recommend that you use NTFS because Linux is not so spread among home users.
But, no matter how it will be implemented I would be able to use the feature because I have some Linux computers at home.


Thanks
Sorin

Lake292
06-03-2011, 10:24 AM
So, just to make sure that I understand correctly:
You say that this feature will not be possible on my TV.

But, you also write that the feature is going to be supported in the new firmwares from the 6000 series upwards.
Doesn't it automatically mean that also my device, which is 8000 series, will be supported (through a software update) ?

6000+ series 2011 models you have 2009 so you wont get anything... :)

a_Tom
06-03-2011, 10:29 AM
Hi

What the Mod was saying is that this feature will be available from 6000 series Onwards for 2K11 TVs.
The 8404 is 2k9.

EXT3 is not useless, even for Windows Users.
There are a lot of Drivers and Software available to be able to access EXT3 from Windows XP, Vista or 7.

Erikrijnders
06-03-2011, 10:30 AM
Strange that Philips doesnot help the 2010-modelusers. This should be on the 2010-models too. What do you think Philips??? Customers that bought a 2010-model will never buy a new tv in 2011!!!!!! When you buy a tv you use it for 8-10 years!!! Its so stange Philips has a short-term view towards marketing.

A lot of things bother me in the way I am treated as a customer by Philips and this is reason to never buy a Philips tv again.

carlosfm
06-03-2011, 11:00 AM
When you buy a tv you use it for 8-10 years!!!

I would say 15~20 years, if nothing goes wrong with the TV, but times they are a' changin'.

I had to give up in November 2010 waiting for an OLED TV (at reasonable cost and size) - I've been waiting since year 2003, when I've bought a Kodak photo camera with an OLED display.
OLED is soooooo much better... blacks are really blacks, no backlighting needed, it is at another level.
When you watch an OLED screen you realize how much flawed LCD is, it needs a lot of trickery to produce decent image.
When everyone has finally bought LCD TVs to all of the house, they will finally launch OLED TVs and try to sell you because it's a "cool", better and "new" technology.

LCD and plasma really seems pre-historic to me, these days.
But that's what you can buy at present.

a_Tom
06-03-2011, 11:08 AM
Strange that Philips doesnot help the 2010-modelusers. This should be on the 2010-models too. What do you think Philips??? Customers that bought a 2010-model will never buy a new tv in 2011!!!!!! When you buy a tv you use it for 8-10 years!!! Its so stange Philips has a short-term view towards marketing.

A lot of things bother me in the way I am treated as a customer by Philips and this is reason to never buy a Philips tv again.

We are talking about 1 Specific Model, 8404, this is 2k9 and we are talking about 2k11 TVs, none mentioned a 2k10 Device.
Lets calm down and keep the Topic clear, hm?

Toengel
06-03-2011, 05:32 PM
Hi,

I also think that the program is encrypted on the HDDs and consequently one is not able to make copies on PCs. And for this encryption one needs new hardware chips which are only present in 2011 series...

Toengel@Alex

nand0l
06-27-2011, 12:44 PM
Philips will introduce TVs with USB recoding functionalities (which also includes Timeshift recording on USB mass storage devices) this year with the current 2k11 TV range.
This functionality will be supported by all 2k11 TVs from 6000 series sets upwards (for the 6000 series a software update is needed in order to activate this functionality).


So my television (bought last saturday25 june 2011) 32/PFL9705 will not support pausing and recording?

In the brochure was stated that it was possible with smart USB, looking for the feature everywhere but could not find it, firmware version not checked yep but downloaded latest and tonight i will have a look if I need to upgrade.

a_Tom
06-27-2011, 12:48 PM
well, as of now, no, no usb recording for this TV, which brochure exactly?
didn't found anything which indicates this in the data sheet or manual.

can you link this brochure?

Toengel
06-27-2011, 12:57 PM
Hi,

I'm also interested in the borchure ,-)

Toengel@Alex

nand0l
06-28-2011, 07:25 AM
Here are a few pages from this brochure, it is in dutch. but it states very clear that Smart USB is the feature that makes it possible. There is nowhere any notice that this is a fututure feature, not is mentioned that it is only availeble on selected models. Although it is no productsheet this brochure is very confusing.

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Toengel
06-28-2011, 07:57 AM
Hi,

from the 4 Smart TV pillars (Program, Control, Net TV, Simply Share) only Net TV and (partly) Simply Share are parts in the 2010 series... (but maybe Philips will spend the 2010 9000 series a nice firmware update ,-)) See also http://58pfl9955.wordpress.com/2011/03/20/philips-smart-tv/

Toengel@Alex

enterfornone
06-30-2011, 01:17 PM
Another thread designed to reassure me that I made the wrong choice, it seems... Oh, sweet "planned obsolescence"...

So well known nowdays... Have very same issue with my brand new Pioneer receiver, when they decided just not to support it with their iPad app.
Just how exactly this will reflect their sales? Lets see:
1. I won't buy new TV in 2011 after buying one in 2010. Just won't happen. I neither print money, neither is environmentally friendly. So no money from me anyway in 2011!
2. On the other hand I will most definitely spread the word about this company approach. And I'm already doing it and am happy to report that two friends were helped to chose better TV than mine. So LOST potential sales for Philips.
How clever you have chosen to skip new functions for your current clients. How well this relationship is going, I just see the care after I pass the cashier in the store... It's like a giant hug!

If i buy an iPhone/iPad (and I have now many of these), I KNOW that all new functionality for the years to come WILL come to me. For free! And I'm glad to continue to buy, as I'm secure in my investment. Until the hardware copes with the load, I get everything. And do not tell me that the 2k11 series 6000 will have so much better hardware than 2x10 Series 8000! btw I have a $50 cable receiver, which dumps the transport stream to a usb - no problems for replay watching, it must have way better hardware than my €1800 TV. Or - it is produced by a better company?...

The approach Philips (and Pioneer in that matter) have chosen, is the road to insolvency! I will never buy another product again from these brands if I'm treated like this, just for the sake of making your 2011 product look better than the 2010 one in the brochure. This is 21st century, every product is upgradeable by software, we're not morons to not know that.