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tolgaakcan
06-08-2011, 02:50 PM
Dear All,

I have had a look at some TV that is out recently.The TV has open internet access as Philips tv's have. However TV has open internet function with flash support. Which means you can go on youtube web and run videos like computers.
NO need to connect to any server. It runs like usual computer. As a result you can stream any videos embedded on any web sites which philips has failed to provide so far.
So that means it is possible for a TV to run ordinary web sites with flash support. So Philips could offer the same.

Philips just announced 2011 models that barely has difference from 2010 models only differenceI can see is PVR function which some 2010 model TV's already has. So I don't take as an innovation.
PVR.. How sad is that?

Other brand has built in satallite receiver, Skypee with webcam support, 2D/3D conversation, Open internet with flash support and lots of programs.

In short;

Philips, you have to work hard to deserve at least to maintain existing market share. These forums are read by thousands of people. I would have gone for other brand If I had to buy a TV.

- Philips has to have proper open internet feature with flash or what ever required to run ordinary web sites.(Without having to connect Philips server because server sucks very slow..)
- Built-in Tuner
- 2D/3D conversation feature
- Skype support
- PVR Function

Those I mentioned is must. You can't get away with them. Your competitor offers much better TV's.
Philips still doesn't have integrated 3D. That is so sad. You still have to have extra dongle for 3d and Wi-Fi connection in many models.
When you go to a shop, sales people usually take you to what they like the most and they take pleasure demonstrating different features that they are impressed already. Philips has nothing different than others. They didn't event change the displays for new models.
Unfortunately Philips didn't get much attention and unfortunately outdated. Far from catching up its competitors.
That is honest comment I hope Philips takes it seriously.

carlosfm
06-08-2011, 03:21 PM
Others may put whatever they want on their TVs, but don't take me wrong - this is a very personal oppinion.
I select a TV set not only by the features but most importantly image quality and natural colours.
I'm really picky about skin tones, it's very hard to reproduce them naturally and Philips always was, and still is, one of the best (after a lot of fine tuning, with LCD TVs - it was much easier with CRTs).
If Kodak made TVs, that's what I'd buy.
I would not buy Samsung or LG because it eventually has Flash support, or whatever. I don't like the image.
It impresses at first to the untrained eye, but it's not natural.
Probably with a lot of tinkering it could be salvageable but I seem to get better controls and results with Philips.

Again, don't take me wrong, because I would also like flash support, but anyway I would not buy a new car from a specific brand or model just because it has Bluetooth. (!)
Bluetooth has nothing to do with driving pleasure - what a car is made for.

Or maybe I'm just an old fashioned kinda guy.
But I like the sound of dual carbs at full throttle. :D

JohnnyQ
06-08-2011, 03:59 PM
Dear Tolga,

You are poorly informed. Philips has already models in the market with build-in Satellite tuner.
(on top of the standard analog tuner, DVB-T tuner and DVB-C Tuner!).
Philips has models with 2Dto3D conversion. Philips has already TV’s in the market with recording functionality. (very nice, you are free to plug in your own external storage device to the USB port!).

Every year Philips has award winning models, they always score high on picture quality but also on design and functionality. I am looking forward for IFA when Philips will present the newest models.

Skype would be nice, but not if it is as expensive and ugly as the Panasonic solution.

Jessy
06-08-2011, 04:09 PM
Additional:

If you really want to enjoy a movie on TV like in the cinema, you should watch it on 21:9 format.
Philips was the first brand introducing this format, now other brands are following.

Philips is still the only brand with ambilight.

tolgaakcan
06-08-2011, 04:34 PM
Thanks you guys, But as you may have noticed all in one devices will have to emerge since ppl have no time to deal with number of gagets at a time tp get simple answer. tv's not even experts have time when looking into something on the net. So if you have a product in the market it will either be cheep or different features from others. Other words you have to provide cheep or inovative extraordinary goods. You can't be in the middle. Today I saw something that philips or other brands haven't been able to achieve. We are not talking about 200€ hotel tv wholesale deal. That is something expensove over 2000€ that buyers are to take their decision not only based on price but also feateres and uniqueness in features etc.
So philips has 2d3d converter . Never seen one. Philips donot convert 2dto3d. If it can I didnt know that. Please spesify?
As for Satalite receiver i didn't know that youcan hook up your satalite dish directly to your tv. So thank you for saying that.
Pvr function; again I have 8000 and has no pvr I don't think 9000 had one. So please spesify what model has that?
About award winning thing; I am sorry to hear that. I think that is the extend of a pr campaign. I dont pay for it.. They give that to most tv's for different features that only buys a good image.

You may after great image quality genuene skin color so I can understand that. However I used to need a 20 inch Tv today pvr is indispensible. So preferences are different and changes in time.
Competition has one rule, you have to be one step ahaid. That is what I meant above. I cannot change my tv or add features at this end. But I would like philips to carry on.

carlosfm
06-08-2011, 04:43 PM
Philips could offer a hardware upgrade to the 2010 TVs, for 2011 spec.
I think only one internal board would need to be changed.
If it's offered at a nice price, probably many clients would buy and Philips would cash in some additional money.
If people stay with a boat anchor only after one year, next time they go for another brand - which may be exactly the same, but anyway - live and learn.

a_Tom
06-08-2011, 05:21 PM
Philips has 2d to 3d as part of the "smart TV" feature for 2k11 Models (so xxPFLxxx6 onwards)
Philips has USB Recording for 2k11 Models (so xxPFL6xx6)
Philips has build in Sat Tuners since the 2k10 Models (xxPFLxxx5)
Philips will have the Option to see 2 Different Pictures in 3D in Fullscreen on the Same TV


the only thing Philips does not have is Flash and yes, Skype but why do they need to Have Skype?
For Flash yeah, one can discuss on that but Skype?

smart
06-08-2011, 05:42 PM
I don't think that flash is so important to normal web. Also I'm wondering how you can use all flash applications on the web without a mouse?
So flash support might be useless without a proper mouse.

In case of video application, I don't think that flash is the future video application technique. You can also provide the stream easier without flash support.

Not sure, does somebody know if maxxdome has a flash implementation on their settop boxes for video on demand? I would think that they do not have, but unsure.

Please see also my post on flash:
http://www.supportforum.philips.com/showthread.php?645-Access-the-open-internet&p=7133&viewfull=1#post7133

There is also an interesting opinion on the web:
http://www.apple.com/hotnews/thoughts-on-flash/

a_Tom
06-09-2011, 09:23 AM
I totally get along with you.
Flash needs a lot of hardware (not only input devices but Resources)
it is insecure and buggy.
I guess Philips will do it like apple, wit for HTML5 or any other solution which is not that creepy like flash

Toengel
06-09-2011, 09:31 AM
Hi,

I fully agree... Sometimes even my PC gets 100% CPU processing while visiting Flash websites. And even in the last 4 week I need to update Flash at least two times...

Toengel@Alex

tolgaakcan
06-09-2011, 11:08 AM
Please don't forget. Flash doesn't only mean fancy web sites. It also means FLV video support that allows you to run videos on the web sites like metacafe, youtube, vimeo etc..
So flash being too slow is not an excuse not to have it. It is up to you not to visit fancy web sites. but sometimes you might want to run video when surfing. THat is what I want to do.

tolgaakcan
06-09-2011, 11:11 AM
What I meant by 2d/3d conversation is to convert 2d images to 3d.
Like it or not Philips don't have that.



Philips has 2d to 3d as part of the "smart TV" feature for 2k11 Models (so xxPFLxxx6 onwards)
Philips has USB Recording for 2k11 Models (so xxPFL6xx6)
Philips has build in Sat Tuners since the 2k10 Models (xxPFLxxx5)
Philips will have the Option to see 2 Different Pictures in 3D in Fullscreen on the Same TV


the only thing Philips does not have is Flash and yes, Skype but why do they need to Have Skype?
For Flash yeah, one can discuss on that but Skype?

Corneel
06-09-2011, 11:52 AM
What I meant by 2d/3d conversation is to convert 2d images to 3d.
Like it or not Philips don't have that.

Talgaakcan: See here: Philips 2D to 3D conversion (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acucCjLREck)

tolgaakcan
06-09-2011, 12:11 PM
Thanks. So finally Philips pull that off after Samsung did in 2010. Thanks for the info. What innovation Philips will bring over to the market the others doesn't have in 2011 models?

Corneel
06-09-2011, 12:36 PM
I suppose you have to wait for IFA to learn all about the new stuff.
This (http://www.ifa.philips.com/pressreleases/9000_series_Smart_LED_TV/FS_9000_Series_Smart_LED_TV_46PFL9706_preliminary. pdf)preliminary product sheet looks promising.