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Toengel
07-19-2011, 06:28 PM
Dear Philips,

Wish

We customers of 21:9 Cinema TVs (Plantinum and Gold) like to have the possibility to connect a PC via HDMI and use the full native resolution of the display (2560 x 1080)! It would be a VERY BIG improvement to the current situation. PCs can handle such resolutions and the HDMI standard also supports this resolution. (Even with VGA we cannot standard Full HD resolution.)

If it is not supported, is there a special reason why it is not implemented? Just give a short explanation! I think it would be (additionally) a very good argument for buying such a TV, if this could be implemented by an update...

And you should definetely consider an update to support the nativ resolution also in the 2010 series!

Feedback

Every feedback is welcome!

Toengel@Alex

petasis
07-20-2011, 06:09 AM
Hm, this is a very reasonable request. If you connect a PC to the 21:9, the desktop is always stretched?

Toengel
07-20-2011, 06:31 AM
Hi,

depends on your Zoom settings. In Auto-Zoom or unscaled mode your PC (if Full HD) is shown in 16:9 with black bars on the left and right...

Toengel@Alex

Philips - Thomas
07-20-2011, 08:56 AM
Hi Guys,

the TV does support incoming resolutions till 1920x1080. (Hardware Limitation)

To have a FullScreen Picture on the TV, set the PC to 1920x1080 or 1080p.
In the TV menu, select the PC Mode to "on". (Home > Settings > TV Settings > Picture)
and the Picture Format to "Widesreen". (Depending of the Graphics Card, you need to enable/disable Overscan)

This might change in the Future with "4K" but today this is nothing to think of.

Regards
Thomas

Toengel
07-20-2011, 09:06 AM
Dear Thomas,

thanks for your clarification and good to know that this is a hardware limitation and not a software limitation.

Toengel@Alex

boost
07-24-2011, 01:14 PM
Hi Guys,

the TV does support incoming resolutions till 1920x1080. (Hardware Limitation)

To have a FullScreen Picture on the TV, set the PC to 1920x1080 or 1080p.
In the TV menu, select the PC Mode to "on". (Home > Settings > TV Settings > Picture)
and the Picture Format to "Widesreen". (Depending of the Graphics Card, you need to enable/disable Overscan)

This might change in the Future with "4K" but today this is nothing to think of.

Regards
Thomas

Is this true for the new soon-to-be-released 50" 21:9, too?

boost
07-28-2011, 01:42 PM
If a single transceiver is limited to 1920x1080, couldn't you connect the PC with two HDMI cables and the tv would display two pictures of 1280x1080 side by side?
I really want this tv, but I won't buy it unless I can use the full resolution on my pc.

a_Tom
07-28-2011, 01:54 PM
IF!
that tv would have PiP
and if that tv would have 2 graphic cards, i think that would be possible

boost
07-28-2011, 02:02 PM
Not only has the tv a pip feature, there's also a very advanced solution for split screen gaming for consoles.
The pip feature "multi view" has a main screen with full height on the left and a small screen in the top right corner of the screen. With image manipulation options this advanced, a simple side-by-side seems like a reasonable request.

a_Tom
07-28-2011, 02:08 PM
äh yeah but be aware, for the gaming mode the tv gets a "single" 1080p signal and there is no need on postprocessing 2 sources.
that would be needed on your wish.
we all know how "fast" the device sometimes reacts, i really dont want to have a device which is much more slower ;)

bart8
12-09-2011, 10:49 AM
Dear Philips,

I have a Philips 50pfl7956 cinema gold tv.
I would also really like to use the full resolution of 2560x1080 pixels, when I connect my pc to the tv. Since I use the tv mostly to play movies from my pc, this is a big issue for me. I am planning on buying a dedicated home theater pc in order to provide content to the tv, so I am able to provide any pc hardware specifications (like 4k support) needed to provide 2560x1080 content to the tv. I am aware of the fact that current movies do not normally contain more than 1920x1080 pixels, however the HTPC I am planning to buy should be prepared for the future when hopefully content with higher resolution is available.

Things I tried so far in order to get full 2560*1080 picture and the results:
HDMI:
1920*1080p (native) : works fine

2560*1080p (desired) : tv gives no picture and pc reports "test failed"

4k : pc reports that the tv does not support this resolution and tv gives no picture

2880*1080p (60 Hz) (this is 1.5 times HD horizontal pixels) : PC reports that the tv does not support this resolution, however the tv DOES give picture which appears to have a larger resolution!
other multiples of HD pixels, like 1.4 times etc. give similar results.

Can't this be used to provide 2560*1080 pixels to the tv? Send a 1.5 times HD signal to the tv with a small black bar at the right side, and make the tv simply extract the first 2560x1080 pixels?

I have also tried connecting the pc to the tv using a VGA-VGA cable, this worked fine in 1920*1080p (60Hz) mode, and I was also able to send a 2560*1080p signal to the tv without any problems. Curiously, when the tv was set to picture format "unscaled" the picture was displayed in normal 16:9 scale with black bars on the sides, when the picture format was set to "wide screen" the picture fitted perfectly to the tv. Does the tv compress the signal to 1920x1080 and then expands it in wide-screen mode? This exercise would then be reather pointless.
Furthermore, because VGA uses an analog signal some noise could be seen when looking closely to the pixels (time varying intensity of the pixels when a stationary picture is sent to the tv). Because HDMI is a digital signal, it does not have this problem.
Also, using a VGA cable I cannot simply send a 5.1 or 7.1 digital sound signal to my receiver. (sending a analog video signal and a digital sound signal on different connections probably gives rise to non-synchronized audio and video) whereas this is not a problem using an HDMI connection.

So I desperately want to connect my pc to my tv using the full 2560*1080 resolution of the tv. How can I achieve this?

Philips - Thomas
12-09-2011, 11:03 AM
Hi Bart,

please read this Thread and my post in this Thread:
http://www.supportforum.philips.com/en/showthread.php?1937-Wish-Please-allow-native-resolution-on-21-9-TVs-(2560x1080)-via-HDMI&p=9307&viewfull=1#post9307

Regards
Thomas

bart8
12-09-2011, 11:53 AM
@ Thomas,

The thread you mention is actually this thread. I read this thread, and asked to reopen the thread because my questions are so closely related to the earlier posts in this thread.

Philips - Thomas
12-09-2011, 11:56 AM
Hi

i know... and i answered the Questions already as you can see in my former post.

Regards
Thomas

Keion
01-14-2012, 04:29 PM
Somewhat of an old thread. But is there really a hardware limitation to 1920x1080? Why do you make a 21:9 aspect TV without the capabilities of receiving native resolution over HDMI?

I just got my new Cinema 21:9 Gold 50" TV and I have been trying to configuring my HTPC to the correct resolution for quite some time now, until I stumbled over this thread.

I think you owe the customers a better answer, Thomas. As Boost replied, why can't you at least give a software update that allows connecting two HDMIs with 1280x1080 and displaying side by side?


Why should I want to buy a 21:9 TV that only can rescale 16:9 images? I am seriously considering to return this product now, greatly disappointed.

- Keion

bart8
01-17-2012, 09:19 PM
I completely agree with you Keion,

Very disappointed that I can at the moment not use the complete resolution of my tv and also disappointed with the lack of answers provided here.
By the way 2560 x 1600 computer monitors have been around for quite a while now so how can 2560x 1080 resolution support be so hard?

Bart

bart8
01-20-2012, 01:07 PM
Furthermore, I realized that 3d blue ray players provide the tv with two 1080p video streams, one for the right eye, and one for the left eye. This would mean that the current 21:9 Philips tv's which are 3d tv's, can accept two full hd video streams over the same HDMI port simultaneously.
can't this principle be used to provide 2560 x 1080 resolution to the tv?

Bart

Keion
01-24-2012, 09:32 AM
Interesting findings Bart8. It would seem as if this could be merely a firmware-issue to allow 2560x1080 resolution. Eagerly awaiting a response from a Philips official.

Matthew
03-13-2012, 12:29 PM
Has any progress been made on this? It is bugging me a lot that the panels are advertised at 2560x1080 and you cant even utilise that resolution.

If its a help to anyone having a resolution of 1920x816 on the pc and setting the tv to 21:9 cinema mode fills the screen and works a treat, i'm using this for time being until/if philips provide a solution.

bart8
03-16-2012, 09:17 PM
Matthew, I get the best results by setting the resolution to 1920*1080p and setting the tv to 'wide screen'. Furthermore you should try to set your tv to 'pc mode' in the settings menu, for me this fixed some overscan issues i had with the tv.

However I'm allso still waiting for philips to make the 2560*1080 resolution possible. As I explained earlier in this thread, it should be possible with a software update..

Vegas
05-01-2012, 04:21 PM
Any news regarding this? Can't believe that this isn't already implemented.

swiss219
05-31-2012, 07:58 AM
Any news regarding this? Can't believe that this isn't already implemented.

Also incredibly frustrated to find that my new 21:9 TV won't support it's own natural resolution over HDMI, and limits to a 16:9 ratio, which it then upscales.

This is an 'enthusiast's' TV, with pricing to match - I didn't even think to check that this wouldn't support it's *own resolution* over HDMI.

HDMI 1.3 and 1.4 technically support a resolution of 2560*1080 - why shouldn't this be enabled from the TV over its HDMI ports?

I would hope that this is an issue fixed by a firmware upgrade, but I suspect that HDMI resolutions are 'hardwired' into the chipsets during manufacture?

My Mac mini (the only source I use) is more than capable of outputting 2560*1080 - attached is it connected to a large monitor.

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Paul_030
06-01-2012, 07:57 AM
i am very curious as there is any news on this issue. Just bought the 50 inch Cinema tv also and have issues with using the full resolution when connected to my HTPC. (which is more than capable of displaying the right resolution)

Would really appreciate it if Philips would ellaborate more on if there is (or will be) a possibility on letting the TV actually really use its native resolution instead of just scaling.

Regards,

Paul

Dim4it
06-27-2012, 10:30 PM
I've setup this 21:9 gold like this with my Windows media center:

On pc: custom resolution 2560 x 1080 at 50 hz through hdmi. Of i set the tv to 'unscaled' I get a 16:9 picture. PC reports 2560x1080 resolution. Screen looks like it is a 21:9 picture in a 16:9 aspect ratio.

After launching media center I selected this custom resolution to be used in media center, other settings: flat panel, hdmi, 16:9.

I get the full media center interface in a 16:9 view. Again it looks like a 21:9 picture in a 16:9 aspect ratio. The interface looks 'wider' than the 16:9 interface.

Using 'wide screen' I stretch the interface to 21,33:9 (which is the exact ratio of the tv). Pixelwise this is a perfect match. 'Wide screen' is designed to make the screen 4/3 wider (to go from 4:3 to 16:9). 4/3 x 1920 =2560!

I think I am getting full resolution, because my PC confirms it sends all the pixels to the tv. I don't thik the tv is throwing source data away, just to show a 16:9 picture.

All played content looks exactly like it should. 16:9 shows as 16:9, 21:9 shows as 21:9 all using 'wide screen' on my tv. To get a full screen with 16:9 content I can use 'auto fill'.

There is 1 slight drawback I am trying to get rid of: I sometimes get a 2 or 3 columns columns 'white' artifact at the right side of the screen. It is not consistent.

Hope this helps!

swiss219
06-28-2012, 11:14 AM
I think I am getting full resolution, because my PC confirms it sends all the pixels to the tv. I don't thik the tv is throwing source data away, just to show a 16:9 picture.

Very interesting - good experiment!

That would seem to suggest that the HDMI is not locked to receiving a maximum of 1920.

On a mac mini, it's impossible to force a resolution higher than the HDMI profile that is reported to it from the connected display. I've tried, with no success, to use switchresx to override this limit, as obviously the mac itself can output a higher resolution.

I hope that a firmware upgrade could update the supported resolutions the panel 'reports' to connected devices over hdmi.

Paul_030
06-28-2012, 12:42 PM
I think I am getting full resolution, because my PC confirms it sends all the pixels to the tv. I don't thik the tv is throwing source data away, just to show a 16:9 picture.



He Dim4it,

thanks for the tip. Will try that when i get home. But i must say i am rather dissappointed in Philips. The resolution problem, combined with the crappy dual screen (as opposed to what you see in advertorials and even on the box) and the total lack of response from Philips to this issue i can not help but feeling a bit ripped off.

Dim4it
06-30-2012, 08:17 AM
@ paul_030: any news? Did it work?

Paul_030
06-30-2012, 02:27 PM
@ paul_030: any news? Did it work?

Hi,

Thankx for the tip, but it did not work for me. Ofourse that could have something to do with the fact that i am sending my signal though a Denon AVR-1911 receiver. I could try to dissasemble this one, but as i want to have the sound through this digitally.... well, you know.


My solution at the moment:

Overscan at my AMD Catalystcenter so that the entire screen is filled. Then in XBMC use screen calibration to adjust the screen to the necessary size. This works also. But ut us a damn shame that is has to be like this.

On Tweakers.net there is also a lively discussion about this subject and people feel (at least a bit) cheated by philips.

This is not good for Philips' reputation...

elroy
07-04-2012, 10:16 AM
Hi all.

I'm trying to get this to work, but no succes yet.
Setup: 50PFL7956H/12 Acer Revo R3600 (Nvidia ION)
Playing movies at Windows media player classic home cinema

I tried to make a custom resolution 2560x1080P at 60Hz.
But when i "Test" this resolution, the Philips says that the resolution isn't supported..


@Dim4it.. maybe you can give me a hint/ tip how to get it to work?
The Nvidia ION GPU is able to handle the resolution, only the TV seems to have a problem.

What am i doing wrong?

elroy
07-04-2012, 10:37 AM
I just had a chat with Philips support.

They confirmed that the input resolution is at maximum 1920x1080 at 60Hz.

I asked her if it would be availible in one of the next updates and she told me:

"i'm not sure if they will enable/devellope this function. Your complaint is registered, and if there are enough complaints about this problem, they will look at it, and maybe the will come with a solution / start developping"

@Philips - Thomas ...
Any updates on this problem yet?
Seems like your first explanation isn’t quite right, as Dim4it can use the full 2560x1080 as input…

Maybe one of the devellopers can take a look at it?
Seems like in this topic you have enough "Beta testers" for this problem.

Toengel
07-04-2012, 10:58 AM
Hi,

can you setup your PC to 1920x800 and then use the auto zoom? This should fill the screen - of course not 1:1 pixels.

Toengel@Alex

elroy
07-04-2012, 11:01 AM
you can do that, but then you lose image quality....

Toengel
07-04-2012, 11:05 AM
Hi,

as far as I understand from previous posts, the hardware is restricted to 1920x1080 - even if the standard allows a larger resolution. So you cannot do anything...

Toengel@Alex

Dim4it
07-04-2012, 11:33 AM
Hi all.

I'm trying to get this to work, but no succes yet.
Setup: 50PFL7956H/12 Acer Revo R3600 (Nvidia ION)
Playing movies at Windows media player classic home cinema

I tried to make a custom resolution 2560x1080P at 60Hz.
But when i "Test" this resolution, the Philips says that the resolution isn't supported..


@Dim4it.. maybe you can give me a hint/ tip how to get it to work?
The Nvidia ION GPU is able to handle the resolution, only the TV seems to have a problem.

What am i doing wrong?

60 hz did not work for me either. Try 50 hz. I'm using Ion too.

elroy
07-04-2012, 12:18 PM
60 hz did not work for me either. Try 50 hz. I'm using Ion too.


Okay,

Did you just set the Windows resolution to 2560x1080P @ 50Hz?

Or did you use 1920x1080 as windows resolution, and only play the movies in 2560x1080.. (if so how to do that in Windows media player classic home cinema??)

I don't fully understand how you set it up.

I will try to make a custom resolution 2560x1080P @ 50Hz, and set is as standard this afternoon..

To be continued

elroy
07-05-2012, 07:44 AM
Update @ Dim4it...

Philips Accepts the 2560x1080 @ 50Hz indeed!
I get a 21:9 streched view in a 16:9 aspect on my television using unscaled mode.

but now the big question:

How to strech the image so it fits the whole screen of my TV?
(how to do that in Windows media player classic home cinema??)

I don't fully understand how you set it up.

Dim4it
07-05-2012, 10:02 AM
but now the big question:

How to strech the image so it fits the whole screen of my TV?
(how to do that in Windows media player classic home cinema??)

I don't fully understand how you set it up.

Hi Elroy,

Nice to see you are making progress and getting results.

You now have the full res on your Tv, but it is only using 3:4 (1920:2560) of the width it should use. That is the error this tv makes. To get things right you need to stretch the width of the screen with a factor 4:3.

To get the right screen size use 'wide screen' in the 'picture format' menu on the TV. It will give you an exact match because it was designed to stretch a 4:3 resolution to 16:9 (stretch factor 4:3).

Good luck, post results!

elroy
07-05-2012, 10:56 AM
Okay. I will for sure!

I have also send an PM to Philips - Thomas.

Hopefully they will manage to fix this problem in the next update, since it does not seems to be a hardware limitation.... only a wrong input / scale detection.

Thanks so far for the help! Dim4it!!

Dim4it
07-07-2012, 10:35 PM
Proof:

http://sdrv.ms/MLaf7d

Toengel
07-08-2012, 07:56 AM
Hi,

if your screenshot is right, why is the height more than 1200?

Toengel@Alex

Dim4it
07-08-2012, 08:07 AM
@toengel

The vertical height is 1080. Check the image properties. The desktop wallpaper is vertically centered, so the top and bottom do not show. I guess that is what windows 7 does by default.

Toengel
07-08-2012, 08:21 AM
Hi,

OK - I missed that. Can you please make step-by-step instructions, what you set up (which cable, which setting, in which order)? Thanks.

Toengel@Alex

Dim4it
07-08-2012, 08:24 AM
@toengel:

Check post 24.

I'm using latest nvidia ion drivers with hdmi connection (both sides of cable). I think ion is HDMI 1.3.

Toengel
07-08-2012, 09:05 AM
Hi,

I can confirm that

- custom resolution at 2560x1080 with 50 Hz

is working on my 58PFL9955

Toengel@Alex

Amlodipin
07-08-2012, 08:56 PM
I don't know, it's not fully working for me. It's right, the TV is receiving the full 2560x1080 resolution at 50hz. But somethings wrong: when I switch to widescreen, the TV does not display the right part of the picture. It just seems to cut it off and stretches the rest of the picture to fit the whole screen. When I'm moving the picture to the left (in the TV settings) I can see that it's wider than it's actually displayed. Are you sure that this works properly on your machine?

I'm using a Mac Mini (OSX Lion) and 2011 Philips Cinema Gold

Dim4it
07-08-2012, 09:35 PM
When I'm moving the picture to the left (in the TV settings) I can see that it's wider than it's actually displayed. Are you sure that this works properly on your machine?

I'm using a Mac Mini (OSX Lion) and 2011 Philips Cinema Gold

Sounds like the Mac is sending the signal with some overscan. Or does anybody know of some tv setting that does this?

I do not have the issues u are describing.

Amlodipin
07-09-2012, 07:31 AM
Yeah, I think that some of my output settings are wrong. The problem is that I have to use SwitchResX to get the Mini to display 2560x1080@50Hz. And SwitchResX wants a lot of values, not only height, width and scanrate. I need things like Pixel Clock, Front porch, Back Porch and Horizontal Scan Rate. Is there any way you could find out your settings? I would really appreciate any help, so thanks in advance! :)

To clarify which settings SwitchResX wants me to define:


Descriptor #1 - Timing definition:
Mode = 1920 x 1080 @ 50,000Hz
Pixel Clock............. 148,50 MHz Non-Interlaced

Horizontal Vertical
Active.................. 1920 pixels 1080 lines
Front Porch............. 528 pixels 4 lines
Sync Width.............. 44 pixels 5 lines
Back Porch.............. 148 pixels 36 lines
Blanking................ 720 pixels 45 lines
Total................... 2640 pixels 1125 lines
Scan Rate............... 56,250 kHz 50,000 Hz

Image Size.............. 1280 mm 720 mm
Border.................. 0 pixels 0 lines

Toengel
07-09-2012, 01:16 PM
Hi,

please read: http://58pfl9955.wordpress.com/2012/07/08/philips-anleitung-wie-219-tv-gerte-mit-nativer-auflsung-2560x1080-via-hdmi-angesteuert-werden-knnen/#comment-6216

Toengel@Alex

elroy
07-10-2012, 06:50 PM
I got it working!

one little thing that was missing in the descriptions; go to TV seting, and put PC mode on. now it displays the WHOLE screen, including the start button etc (this first was cut a little bit)

Here's a small how-to THNX to Dim4it!
I'm Using a Nvidia ION Chipset

1: Set your TV to Unscaled
2: Go to TV settings, and put PC mode ON
3: Make a custom resolution on your PC; 2560x1080 Progressive at 50Hz
4: See the picture displayed on your TV. Its a 16:9 aspect ratio, with in the middle a 21:9 picture (so you have a black bar in the top and the bottom of your 16:9 screen.
5: Set you TV settings to Widescreen.
6: To play Full screen movies: In you media player (i use Media player classic home cinema) go to aspect ratio and set Auto-fill.
7: Enjoy.

Amlodipin
07-10-2012, 10:26 PM
I don't know what I'm doing wrong on my side :/ My problem persists. My TV is able to receive the signal from my Mac Mini, but about one third of the right side of the picture is just cut off and the rest is stretched to the 21:9 format.


Original screenshot:

http://i.imgur.com/o2Z1A.png
(http://i.imgur.com/o2Z1A.png)


Photo of my TV, sorry for the crappy quality, just focus on the wallpaper and the text editor on the far right and you'll probably see what I mean:

http://i.imgur.com/W4xGT.jpg
(http://i.imgur.com/W4xGT.jpg)

If ANYONE knows how to solve this problem, I would really appreciate any help. I even reset my TV to factory settings, changed the HDMI cable, tried another HDMI port ... I don't know what to do, I'm simply stuck. Thanks in advance!

Toengel
07-11-2012, 06:23 AM
Hi,

try to add the HDMI port (where you connect your Mac) in your HOME menu as "Computer" (or PC?).

Toengel@Alex

Amlodipin
07-11-2012, 07:08 AM
Hi,

try to add the HDMI port (where you connect your Mac) in your HOME menu as "Computer" (or PC?).

Toengel@Alex

That's what I did. It's the only way the TV receives the signal, if the PC-Mode is off, the screen remains black. So that's not the issue, sadly :/ But thank you very much for your answer.

Jvdburgt
07-19-2012, 09:27 PM
I'm seriously thinking of buying this TV next week, but ONLY if the PC native resolution has been satisfactorily dealt with by Philips (or will be dealt with in short time). I find the explanation of a hardware limitation utterly dissatisfying. Philips, if you wanna keep selling these puppies you better come up with something!

elroy
07-31-2012, 08:50 AM
As promised.

2 Screenschots of the Resolution.
one is cut, showing the advanced settings i used.
The other one shows just a screendump of the total screen showing 2560x1080

Wondering Why the Philips still say's.. IT WONT WORK>> ??

Only thing i was reading Today... Setting the TV image to PC, means gives some limitations on video quality (or something like that).

If i Set the TV to normal.. it cuts of a small piece of the screen, showing only half of the Windows Start button...

Maybe something is solved after the update i got yesterday....

Gonna try get it to work tomorrow, and try some other image quality settings (turn off pixel percise HD etc etc..

Yesterday i played my First SBS (Side by side) 1080P 3D movie, using the setting 2 Players (game mode). This shows the 3D movie nicely..!!

elroy
08-02-2012, 01:06 PM
I was reading Toengels Blog
http://58pfl9955.wordpress.com/2012/07/08/philips-anleitung-wie-219-tv-gerte-mit-nativer-auflsung-2560x1080-via-hdmi-angesteuert-werden-knnen/#comment-6614

And noticed the post of Jeroen 87
This makes everything a lot clearer.
Especially the powerpoint presentation thats posted.



Jeroen87 schreibt:
9. Juli 2012 um 14:46
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Native aspect ratio, yes. Native vertical resolution, yes. But I can assure you that you will not see the native horizontal resolution. There is always a 1920 pixels-per-line bottleneck in the videopath. There are excellent scalers there (I should know, I invented them myself), but you will still lose some horizontal resolution. On a movie you will never notice the loss.
– Jeroen87



Jeroen87 schreibt:
10. Juli 2012 um 16:45
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Apparently you have managed to send 2560x1080p to the TV. (I don’t think that I could do that with my own 56″ 21:9 TV), so the aspect ratio is explicitly 21:9. The TV must first down-sample that to 1920x1080p, then do some of the typical TV processing, and finally up-sample back to 2560x1080p. This means that the horizontal resolution is limited by the 1920 pixels-per-line bottleneck. It is a pity, but the TV550 platform was designed at a time when nobody had thought of 21:9 yet, and bandwidth was expensive. The final up-sampling is done on the TCON board of the 21:9 display, but according to Philips specification for high quality. All this means that you will lose the pixel-on/pixel-off pattern, but otherwise the picture remains full-HD quality.
Greetings from my vacation address,
– Jeroen87

pgouy
09-27-2012, 03:24 AM
I don't know what I'm doing wrong on my side :/ My problem persists. My TV is able to receive the signal from my Mac Mini, but about one third of the right side of the picture is just cut off and the rest is stretched to the 21:9 format.


Original screenshot:

http://i.imgur.com/o2Z1A.png
(http://i.imgur.com/o2Z1A.png)


Photo of my TV, sorry for the crappy quality, just focus on the wallpaper and the text editor on the far right and you'll probably see what I mean:

http://i.imgur.com/W4xGT.jpg
(http://i.imgur.com/W4xGT.jpg)

If ANYONE knows how to solve this problem, I would really appreciate any help. I even reset my TV to factory settings, changed the HDMI cable, tried another HDMI port ... I don't know what to do, I'm simply stuck. Thanks in advance!


I'm having the exact same problem on my mac with your settings. If i change anything on SwitchResX I get a blank screen..

Have you made any progress?

Thanks!
PG

BrightSilence
10-06-2012, 09:54 PM
The solutions mentioned on this topic do not work for me. It's possible that's caused by my AV receiver rather than the TV itself. Either way this sounds like a 'dirty' solution to me. Basically you're forcing an unsupported 2560x1080 resolution that is than scaled down to 1920x1080, processed only to be scaled up to 2560x1080 again. I tried all custom resolutions I could think of but whether it's my AV receiver or my TV, the signal did not get through to the TV.

Here is my solution that should work for anyone, even if you have an AV receiver in between. This solution is based on nvidia drivers, but I'm sure there is an AMD equivalent in the catalyst drivers.

Basically what we will do is set the drivers to correct for massive overscan on a 1920x1080 resolution, so no custom resolutions are required for this fix.

I'm using the latest stable version of the nvidia drivers (306.23)

- Start by setting your resolution to 1920x1080.
- Open nvidia control panel.
- Under display, click on 'Adjust desktop size and position'.
- On the size tab, tick Enable desktop resizing and hit apply.
- Hit the resize button and slide the height bar all the way down. It should say 1920x810 at the bottom.
- Click OK and click yes to confirm your settings.

Basically what this does is transmit black bars over a full 1920x1080 resolution. No AV receiver will have a problem with this and if you leave your TV set to auto-fill or auto-zoom, it will automatically scale up to the full screen.

Pros
- Native aspect ratio
- No custom resolutions required
- Works through all AV Receivers
- No need to change picture size settings on the TV every time you switch inputs.
- Games usually adjust to this resolution as well, so no more stretching.

Cons
- You don't get 1080 lines of height. But keep in mind that while the bluray and hdmi formats support 2560x1080, there are no blurays that actually carry this resolution. And even if there were, your bluray player would still have to scale it down to 1920x1080 (letterboxed). There is simply no main stream video content available at this resolution.
- Less room on your desktop, because of lower res.
- Lower res games, compared to 1920x1080.

Honestly, I'm not seeing any change in quality since I stepped down from 1080 to 810 and the correct aspect ratio makes all the difference. In fact I sit far enough away that I kind of benefit from the slightly larger text on the desktop and such. It's not as ideal as being able to actually use the native resolution, but since Philips has been pretty clear about hardware limitations, I think it will have to do. Even if you think there may still be a way since it can also receive a 3D signal (2x full 1080p), don't count on Philips doing anything about this after the statements posted on this topic. It may also help to know that Philips has discontinued their 21:9 product line. This is clearly not a focus for them anymore.

Amlodipin
10-08-2012, 05:58 PM
I'm having the exact same problem on my mac with your settings. If i change anything on SwitchResX I get a blank screen..

Have you made any progress?

Thanks!
PG

No, not really. I have to admit that I have given up, I don't think that I would profit from this.

ZoomaBugga
12-18-2012, 02:27 PM
Have you noticed Folded Space innovation? They have a neat solution to the problem of the 21:9 movies on Blu Ray. (Having only 1920 x 810 resolution, which IS a problem.)
Nice extra bits on blu ray + little _better_ upscaling to 2560 x 1080.
They are now negotiating with the studios to make it to the next Blu Ray format upgrade.

IF we had that Blu Ray upgrade AND Philips firmware upgrade to allow 2560 x 1080 input, we could finally have (almost) native 2560 x 1080 movies on Philips Cinemascope..!
(OR: still 1920 x 1080 input, but EMF encoding firmware update that would allow showing 2560 x 1080 almost native quality)

SEE:
http://www.folded-space.com

AND discussion of the technology:
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1436729/anamorphic-encoded-blu-rays-on-the-horizon/30

Bee013
12-29-2012, 02:38 PM
Hi all,

i bought yesterday the 50FPL7956H. I feel very disappointed about this resolution issue, it makes no sense at all to me, and i'm seriously thinking of returning it. My intention was to use it primariliy as a pc monitor. My hope is that this issue will be fixed with some firmware update, but i feel no hope from Philips administrators who post in this discussion.
This is the first lcd display i see that does not accept its native resolution signal.
:(

Paulus88
02-10-2013, 11:05 PM
I was reading Toengels Blog
http://58pfl9955.wordpress.com/2012/07/08/philips-anleitung-wie-219-tv-gerte-mit-nativer-auflsung-2560x1080-via-hdmi-angesteuert-werden-knnen/#comment-6614

And noticed the post of Jeroen 87
This makes everything a lot clearer.
Especially the powerpoint presentation thats posted.

I have been looking for this information for a while, thanks elroy.
I never even considered the thought that this TV could not support 2560x1080.

I have a really powerful laptop, built it myself with all the latest components from Intel/nVidia. I thought getting the resolution to work on the laptop would have been the main problem that I would come across.

Turns out the TV does not even support the resolution but encodes Full HD to 2560x1080 format.

This means that the TV is only useful for Movies and Full HD videos. This is still pretty awesome, you do get the film on the entire screen.
I was hoping to try gaming in 2560x1080, that would have been awesome as well.

I created a custom 2560x1080 profile as well, it works on the TV screen but the screen only shows 1920x1080 of it, I was expecting the 'unscaled' to show the full laptop screen as is. Strange thing is the TV does support the resolution but does not have a Picture Format to show it.

Is there no way that Philips could update the software to allow viewing of 2560x1080 format from a computer, for example if a resolution above 1920x1080 is sent to the TV then the TV allows it to continue op the multi-screen option? 2x 1920x1080 beside each other. Please it will make my day, week, year and life :D

elroy
02-12-2013, 07:03 AM
Don't think so.

its hardware; TV550 platform is the limiting factor.
Read that somewhere in the posts of jeroen 87