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Freddy
10-25-2011, 01:54 PM
Hello again Philips!... :)

The last few weeks I am seeing more and more discussions around the web regarding the specs of the 9606, especially about the amount of Local Dimming Zones and the number of LEDs. These discussions are started because of some old and confusing data that is floating around and... this is causing potential customers to be scared away, since that old "data" is way off.

Of course I supplied them with the correct numbers, but since I'm not from Philips myself, and even the (German) Philips Chat doesn't know the answers to this, people don't know who to believe... understandably.

So that's why I made a complete list of all the LED Pro models. The only thing I ask is, could you Philips maybe confirm these numbers (or correct them if I made a mistake myself ;)), so people can be reassured by this?...


Zones: . LEDs: . LED Pro Models:
. 120 . . . 960 . . 32PFL9705
. 168 . . 1344 . . 40PFL9704, 40PFL9705, 40PFL9606
. 224 . . 1792 . . 46PFL9704, 46PFL9705, 46PFL9706
. 288 . . 2304 . . 52PFL9704, 52PFL9606
. 288 . . 2304 . . 58PFL9955, 58PFL9956


Thanks in advance, on behalf of quite a few potential customers,

Freddy

Toengel
10-25-2011, 02:25 PM
Hi,

I'm interessed, too, in these information!

Toengel@Alex

Philips - Thomas
10-25-2011, 02:28 PM
Hi Guys

i do understand that some of you are interested in such Information's.
However those are Philips internal Information's and we will not comment/correct or acknowledge them.

Regards
Thomas

Freddy
10-25-2011, 03:23 PM
Hi Thomas,

thanks for answering so quickly. :)

About the number of LEDs I can understand that it is "internal", but... the amount of Local Dimming Zones can be counted by the owner very easily; that's how I got to know the amount for the 32PFL9705 myself, so... nothing secret about that, is there!?... :confused:
The number of LEDs for the 46" models from 2009/2010/2011 was made public at their release dates as well, so the only things "secret" are the LED numbers for the other sizes.

Without this (obvious) information, people are relying on false data saying for example "the 52 inch version has less zones and LEDs than the 46 inch one", which is causing people to say then: "thanks, but no thanks". So... are you sure to keep this a "secret"!?... :p

petasis
10-26-2011, 12:02 AM
Hello again Philips!... :)

The last few weeks I am seeing more and more discussions around the web regarding the specs of the 9606, especially about the amount of Local Dimming Zones and the number of LEDs. These discussions are started because of some old and confusing data that is floating around and... this is causing potential customers to be scared away, since that old "data" is way off.

Of course I supplied them with the correct numbers, but since I'm not from Philips myself, and even the (German) Philips Chat doesn't know the answers to this, people don't know who to believe... understandably.

So that's why I made a complete list of all the LED Pro models. The only thing I ask is, could you Philips maybe confirm these numbers (or correct them if I made a mistake myself ;)), so people can be reassured by this?...


Zones: . LEDs: . LED Pro Models:
. 120 . . . 960 . . 32PFL9705
. 168 . . 1344 . . 40PFL9704, 40PFL9705, 40PFL9606
. 224 . . 1792 . . 46PFL9704, 46PFL9705, 46PFL9706
. 288 . . 2304 . . 52PFL9704, 52PFL9606
. 288 . . 2304 . . 58PFL9955, 58PFL9956


Thanks in advance, on behalf of quite a few potential customers,

Freddy

I can confirm that the 46" 9705 has 224 zones, in an array of 16*14 zones.
I have measured them my self.

And I have "peaked" some manuals, and had made a post in the Greek forum (your numbers match mine):

http://translate.google.gr/translate?sl=el&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=el&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.avclub.gr%2Fforum%2Fshowthread. php%3Fp%3D1056093792%23post1056093792
(http://translate.google.gr/translate?sl=el&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=el&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.avclub.gr%2Fforum%2Fshowthread. php%3Fp%3D1056093792%23post1056093792)

Freddy
10-26-2011, 01:00 PM
Thanks petasis for confirming all the 2010 number of zones! :)
Anyone else care to participate (regarding the 2009/2011 models)?... ;)

EdgarPrao
10-27-2011, 12:56 AM
Hi Freddy, thank you for your commitment on that issue.

I am one of those possible customers that already took a closer look on the 52 inch model of the 9606 series. As reported to me in two different philips support chat sessions the 9606 series TVs have less backlight LEDs compared to the 9706 and 9705 TVs.

Here is a cite from one chat session (translated from german):
Agent: The backlight of the 52PFL9606 consists of 896 LEDs in 112 dimming zones.

So this fact will prevent me from buying the new 52" 'flagship' TV since my current 9705 has twice as much LEDs for a more than 20% smaller display area!

If that information is correct the prices for the 9606 TVs are too high in my honest opinion.

xMen
10-27-2011, 09:52 AM
I do not understand why the technical data of a television must be secret. If Philips does not want to reveal them is because something negative hides.

The data provided by EdgarPrao probably to be certain. In the website of Philips your can see the contrast of the 9606 series (40pfl9606 and 52pfl9606) is 5,000,000: 1. This contrast is half of the 2010 series 9705 (10,000,000: 1). Therefore the series 9606 2011 zones must be less than zones of the 2010 series.

With regard to price, 40pfl9606 and 52pfl9606 cost the same as 46pfl9706 in/d ratio to their area. But 40pfl9606 and 52pfl9606 have not moth eye, not bright pro and less zones local dimming. The prices for the 9606 TVs are too high in my honest opinion. What do you think?

Philips please clarify this issue.

Freddy
10-27-2011, 01:13 PM
I am one of those possible customers that already took a closer look on the 52 inch model of the 9606 series. As reported to me in two different philips support chat sessions the 9606 series TVs have less backlight LEDs compared to the 9706 and 9705 TVs.

Here is a cite from one chat session (translated from german):
Agent: The backlight of the 52PFL9606 consists of 896 LEDs in 112 dimming zones.

So this fact will prevent me from buying the new 52" 'flagship' TV since my current 9705 has twice as much LEDs for a more than 20% smaller display area!
Hi Edgar, :)

I can assure you my data is correct, and those Chat people you spoke with really don't know what they're talking about when it comes to this... :rolleyes: The Philips guys here do but, as you saw above, are still a bit reluctant to share this information with us.

Now you see Thomas, why I am simply trying to help here. ;) No information is one thing, but false data is really quite another and can actually be harmful, so... Philips?... :cool:


In the website of Philips your can see the contrast of the 9606 series (40pfl9606 and 52pfl9606) is 5,000,000: 1. This contrast is half of the 2010 series 9705 (10,000,000: 1). Therefore the series 9606 2011 zones must be less than zones of the 2010 series.
No, the fact that the contrast of the 40/52" 9606 is half the (40/46") 9705 contrast, has nothing to do with the number of zones, but with the absence of Bright Pro.

xMen
10-27-2011, 02:17 PM
Freddy Why do you say that you can assure your date is correct? Could do you explain it? Please.
What do you think about 9606 2011 series have half contrast 2010 series? Is the quality 2011 series less than 2010 series?
What do you think about Philips doesnt talk about it?
Thank you very much for your answers Freddy.

EdgarPrao
10-27-2011, 03:37 PM
[...] Please.
What do you think about 9606 2011 series have half contrast 2010 series? Is the quality 2011 series less than 2010 series?
[...]

As Freddy mentioned directly in the post before yours, the lack of the BrightPro Feature leads to a lower in-image contrast. BrightPro illuminates only the bright regions inside an image even more to increase the difference in luminance between dark and bright image regions.

If you prefer watching TV in a dark room and therefore reduce the total brightness of your TV (e.g. by activating the light sensor) the BrightPro feature will not make a large difference in image contrast. But if the backlight is already at a high level (e.g. when watching in daylight) the BrightPro feature really pushes bright reagions to create a nearly glaring effect which looks very impressing (at least to me).

mduran
10-27-2011, 04:21 PM
Everyone knows the amount of leds are easily counted if they rip of the LCD part. So how can this be internal information. It's like asking Volkswagen how many tires a VW Golf has.

This forum is also crap. No bugs that are listed here are actually solved. People only complain and there isn't even one engineer from Philips who has taken the time to actually study the HDMI sound issue. Or who has asked us to reproduce a problem or even send a PM.

I actually wonder how they know what issue's to fix, if you call Philips Servicedesk the regular answer is. "I have never heard that before" and "We will send a technical guy to look at the problem" and they KNOW it is a firmware bug.

xMen
10-27-2011, 09:16 PM
And I have "peaked" some manuals, and had made a post in the Greek forum

Petasis please Could you tell me where (section) in the service manual indicates zones? I have the service manual too.
Thanks in advance.

Toengel
10-28-2011, 09:57 PM
288 . . 2304 . . 58PFL9955

Hi,

18x16 = 288

confirmed on 58PFL9955

Tested via: http://www.tcs-graphix.com/files/phil/index.html

Toengel@Alex

Freddy
10-29-2011, 12:23 AM
Thanks Alex!

And for anyone willing to do some testing, those videos (made by Prao (http://www.hifi-forum.de/index.php?action=browseT&forum_id=152&thread=8374&postID=1460#1460); I assume that's you Edgar?... ;)) are really helpful!... :)

EdgarPrao
10-29-2011, 07:41 PM
Yes Freddy it's me.

Still waiting for someone counting the segments on the 52 inch 9606 TV. Obimo offers it for 2499.

Ed

Freddy
11-03-2011, 01:45 PM
And finally someone (Savine) was kind enough to use Edgar's video and count the zones on her 52PFL9606:

http://www.hifi-forum.de/index.php?action=browseT&forum_id=152&thread=8374&postID=1542#1542

So yet another one got confirmed!... ;)

Freddy
08-16-2012, 12:11 PM
Hello again!... :)

Now that we're getting closer to the date the 46PFL9707 and 60PFL9607 will be officially introduced, the rumors about the Local Dimming specs are starting again... This time the "LED Pro" technique has been renamed "Micro Dimming Premium", but hopefully that's not all that was "improved". ;)

The actual specs (number of zones and LEDs) are still not official, so I will not post them yet. But the fact that "Micro Dimming Premium" stands for Direct LED with Local Dimming has been confirmed by now, so... To ease some minds already. :p

Freddy

Freddy
09-26-2012, 03:05 PM
Hello again everyone!... :)

The time is here: the new 46PFL9707 and 60PFL9607 are (about to be) available!... :D As announced in my previous message, I will now complete my table with all the LED Pro Models' Specs. I already confirmed that the new technique that these models offer, called "Micro Dimming Premium", stands for Direct LED with Local Dimming. On different sites people were speculating about the number of zones, but often their numbers were mixed up between the two sizes, so... :p Here are the actual facts:


Zones (X x Y): . . LEDs: . LED Pro Models:
. 120 (10 x 12) . . . 960 . . 32PFL9705
. 168 (12 x 14) . . 1344 . . 40PFL9704, 40PFL9705, 40PFL9606
. 224 (14 x 16) . . 1792 . . 46PFL9704, 46PFL9705, 46PFL9706, 46PFL9707
. 240 (12 x 20) . . 2880 . . 60PFL9607
. 288 (16 x 18) . . 2304 . . 52PFL9704, 52PFL9606
. 288 (18 x 16) . . 2304 . . 58PFL9955, 58PFL9956


So as you can see, the physical specs of the 46PFL9707 are the same as those of the previous 46" models. The Local Dimming Zones of the 60PFL9607 are a bit wider though. Hopefully the new "Micro Dimming Premium" algorithm will offer better performance with fewer problems than the 2010/2011 algorithm.

Freddy