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limpitakis
11-12-2011, 05:42 AM
Hi to all,
Thomas - Philips I have some questions for you
1. Until up to now the top models of philips were almost identical.
For instance the 58PFL9955H was the 21:9 version of the 9705 (more or less - for instance the former did not have the need of a 3D transponder)
This year philips makes something odd,
46PFL 9706 (top 16:9 model) has two additonal features that are missing from the 58PFL9956H (top 21:9 model)
1. moth eye filter
2. ambilight XL
My question is why philips chose to do so?
Was it difficult? Was it due to keeping the cost of the 21:9 down ?
Is it something that it would added to the next year's 21:9 television?

2. Will the local dimming be present at 58PFL9956H while watching 3D this year in contrast to the last year's 58PFL8855H?

3. Is EPG going to be available to models addressed to Greece this year?

Thank you
Nick

jjs
11-12-2011, 01:24 PM
Motheye is only available for the 46inch at the moment. The panel is not made by Philips. It's what they buy from Sharp or LG mainly. Keep your fingers from the motheye panel, it will be seen directly and you'll have to clean it.

According to 3D, all lcd panels are now much faster then 2k10. Also scanning backlight is used to reduce artifacts with 3D to a minimum.

Also panels from the passive line are the same as in LG, also the glasses are the same.

Philips - Thomas
11-14-2011, 10:16 AM
Hi

Just to make sure you understand the Models right.
the 21:9 Tvs have never been the "larger" Versions of the 97xx TVs.

The 97xx TV was allways and will allways be the Top TV.
21:9 is a TV like the Aurea which has a "special" Focus.
For the Aurea its the Ambilight for the 21:9 its (like the Name says) the 21:9 Feature and the Cinema Experience.
That does not mean that a 21:9 or Aurea for instance is better or the same like an 97xx TV.

Moth Eye Filter for example.
This Feature is to avoid Reflections like from a Windows in behind.
A "Cinema" TV is like the Name says, made to act like a small Cinema. In a Cinema it is Dark, so there are no reflections.
So there is no need to add the Moth Eye Filter to this TV. And you should also be aware that by adding this to this large TV, the TV would have been even more expensive!

Regards
Thomas

limpitakis
11-15-2011, 01:07 PM
Hi

Just to make sure you understand the Models right.
the 21:9 Tvs have never been the "larger" Versions of the 97xx TVs.

The 97xx TV was allways and will allways be the Top TV.
21:9 is a TV like the Aurea which has a "special" Focus.
For the Aurea its the Ambilight for the 21:9 its (like the Name says) the 21:9 Feature and the Cinema Experience.
That does not mean that a 21:9 or Aurea for instance is better or the same like an 97xx TV.

Moth Eye Filter for example.
This Feature is to avoid Reflections like from a Windows in behind.
A "Cinema" TV is like the Name says, made to act like a small Cinema. In a Cinema it is Dark, so there are no reflections.
So there is no need to add the Moth Eye Filter to this TV. And you should also be aware that by adding this to this large TV, the TV would have been even more expensive!

Regards
Thomas

Dear Thomas thank you for your reply,
I follow philips quite some time and I can assure you that I can undertand its models very well,
So far the 97XX model was identical to the 21:9 model regarding specifications other than the 21:9 screen
If I am wrong please indicate any difference between the top model of 97XX and 21:9 model of the previous year or the year before that.
This year Philips decided to arm its top model 97XX with two added features that are lacking from the new cinema model, the moth eye filter and the new XL ambilight.
I am not buying your justification saying that the 21:9 does not need a moth eyefilter because we watch a film in dark contitions and thus the antireflection filter is not needed.
I can counter say that many viewers do watch a film with the lights out irrespectively of the size or the type of the tv.
I do accept that a moth eye filter would make the 21:9 tv more expensive though.
However I am not convinced that the filter wont be available to the new year's 21:9 tv .
Why do I think so? Because the moth eye filter is not just an antireflection filter. It increases at the same time the contrast ratio up to 150.000.000:1 (9706) in contrast to a 10.000.000:1 (21:9 cinema) The cinema 21:9 because of its large panel needs such a contrast ratio as well.
You did not answer my question regarding the ambilight XL. I think that this feature will be availabe at next year's 21:9 tv. I as well think that it is a cost issue not to be implemented t this year's cinema.

Please do give me a straight answer regarding the following questions since you did not so far.

1. Will the local dimming be present at 58PFL9956H while watching 3D this year in contrast to the last year's 58PFL8855H?

2. Is EPG going to be available to models addressed to Greece this year?

Thank you,
Nick

Philips - Thomas
11-15-2011, 01:31 PM
Hi Nick

Thanks for your Opinion. But as i said already in my last post. There are Differences in the Ranges.
For 2k12 TVs, you'll never know what will come. We need to wait for next Year to see what that will be.

To your Questions > You can use EPG in Greece and no, Local Dimming is also not present this Year watching 3D.

Regards
Thomas

Toengel
11-15-2011, 02:01 PM
Hi,

both the DVB-EPG and IP-EPG in Greece?

Toengel@Alex

petasis
11-16-2011, 04:15 PM
I have seen in stores, that at least the DVB-T EPG is working in Greece (I saw it on an 7406). So, I expect that DVB-T EPG works in the whole 2011 series.

Still no support for DVB-T EPG in 2010 series (despite the promises).

I don't think that IP EPG works in 2011 series though, so I think recording will not be available.