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Fabriziovb
11-17-2011, 03:24 PM
Hi there,

I have read here and also in other forums that soft 40 36 and 37 bring a drop in image quality, and that 34 was the best so far. I could not find records about oicture quality on 38 or 39.

What is your opinion ? Philips and users

Thanks

Freddy
11-18-2011, 09:35 AM
Hello Fabrizio,

that's an interesting discussion! Kinda touchy as well, I believe... ;) But I do hope more will tell us their experiences regarding the differences in picture quality between the many different firmware versions!

I for one have been following the discussions on four different forums (in Dutch/English/German) since the day the 9705 came out, so I have made a list of all the reported differences. I translated all the complains and direct comparisons in grades, ranging from 1 (worst) to 10 (best) and these are the results:

Firmware: Pict.-Quality:
. 075.60 . . . . . . 6
. 140.11 . . . . . . 8
. 140.23 . . . . . . 9
. 140.25 . . . . . . 9
. 140.27 . . . . . . 5
. 140.29 . . . . . . 5
. 140.32 . . . . . . 7
. 140.34 . . . . . . 8
. 140.36 . . . . . . 5
. 140.37 . . . . . . 5
. 140.39 . . . . . . 7
. 140.40 . . . . . . 6
. 140.44 . . . . . . 7
. 140.45 . . . . . . 6
. 140.46 . . . . . . 6
. 140.47 . . . . . . 5

That's interesting, isn't it!?... Anyone care (or dare :p) to comment?... :rolleyes:

Fabriziovb
11-18-2011, 01:01 PM
Thanks freddy. Let's hope the rest of people give their input also

ali54
11-18-2011, 01:52 PM
after 0.25 all other firmwear are poor for 2d pictuer

peelaaa
11-28-2011, 04:54 PM
Why would philips degrade the picture? What is the purpose of it, surely they should be making the picture better?

christophexxx
11-30-2011, 04:31 PM
So, if the best quality ever seen on this product is 9/10, why don't you fix this in the software 140.41 (and the others after) to HAVE THIS QUALITY ?

ali54
11-30-2011, 04:52 PM
its got be a reson why the pictuer haz degraded with the new softwears i think they are trying to fix some thing and making a mess out of the pictuer qulity but philips dont whant to shear this with us

lotemps
12-07-2011, 04:26 PM
Hi,

I'm sorry for my english...

I have a 9705 40" and I see the movies and games from Play Station 3. The problem when using the 3D, the image isn't nitid (background and first layer).

It's normal? Anyone else have the same problem?

Thanks,

petasis
12-12-2011, 07:19 PM
Hi,

I'm sorry for my english...

I have a 9705 40" and I see the movies and games from Play Station 3. The problem when using the 3D, the image isn't nitid (background and first layer).

It's normal? Anyone else have the same problem?

Thanks,

I cannot understand your question. What does "nitid" mean?

petasis
12-12-2011, 07:20 PM
Has anyone any opinion on the 140.44 firmware?
I thing that the DVB-T picture quality is very good.

ali54
12-13-2011, 12:09 PM
Has anyone any opinion on the 140.44 firmware?
I thing that the DVB-T picture quality is very good.

i cant comment on that as i dont use tvs tuner i use freeview hd box it looked better than 0.40 but not good as 0.25

Freddy
12-13-2011, 02:09 PM
Hi Ali, :)

what you're saying is similar to what some others have said around the web. But to complete our list, how did the 140.44 compare to 140.34?...

ali54
12-13-2011, 08:50 PM
Hi Ali, :)

what you're saying is similar to what some others have said around the web. But to complete our list, how did the 140.44 compare to 140.34?...

hi freddy
i dident get a chance to test the 0.44 propely as i had problem with sound clicking but from what i remeber i gev it 6 or 7 for pictuer qulity the only softwear that comes close to 0.25 is 0.34 we need to start to vote for 0.25 back.and what was your thougts of 0.44

Freddy
12-14-2011, 11:35 AM
the only softwear that comes close to 0.25 is 0.34 we need to start to vote for 0.25 back.and what was your thougts of 0.44I didn't try 140.44, because it doesn't solve my only really big problem: the subtitle dimming bug. Except for that, that truly annoying behavior, I'm very happy with my 140.25!... :cool:
But based on a number of reports around the web, including yours, I updated the PQ List in post #2.

ali54
12-14-2011, 02:27 PM
I didn't try 140.44, because it doesn't solve my only really big problem: the subtitle dimming bug. Except for that, that truly annoying behavior, I'm very happy with my 140.25!... :cool:
But based on a number of reports around the web, including yours, I updated the PQ List in post #2.

god damm you freddy you useing 0.25 i wish i could go back to 0.25 but i cant and im stuck with this poor updates

miro9000
12-14-2011, 03:12 PM
How is possible such differences of quality if several firmwares officially don´t do anything about the image ?

ali54
12-14-2011, 03:59 PM
How is possible such differences of quality if several firmwares officially don´t do anything about the image ?

that i cant answer but its very clear the change in pictuer quilty from 0.25 to all the others that came out after it

petasis
12-14-2011, 06:36 PM
Hi Ali, :)

what you're saying is similar to what some others have said around the web. But to complete our list, how did the 140.44 compare to 140.34?...

Difficult to say. 140.34 is too far in the past to remember its picture. But for sure, my DVB-T reception is much clearer with 140.44 amongst all previous firmwares.

petasis
12-14-2011, 06:39 PM
I didn't try 140.44, because it doesn't solve my only really big problem: the subtitle dimming bug. Except for that, that truly annoying behavior, I'm very happy with my 140.25!... :cool:
But based on a number of reports around the web, including yours, I updated the PQ List in post #2.
No it doesn't solve the global effect on the picture, although I think that 140.44 is a little less "global". But again you can see the same effect when subtitles appear.

ali54
12-14-2011, 09:25 PM
patasis
it seems your happy with a sotwear long as it has good pictuer qulity from tvs build in tuner but what do you think of this softwears for hd stuff like mkv freeview hd and bluray becuase i dont use the tvs tuner as i dident pay 2000 pound to watch sd from tvs tuner

RonianAT
12-17-2011, 01:30 AM
Anyone has the .25 firmware still on his pc? Would be great if someone could upload the firmware before the december one or .25 one. The .44 drives me crazy! How is it possible that the sound is fucked up like that.

Toengel
12-17-2011, 11:05 AM
Hi,

what TV do you have?

Toengel@Alex

RonianAT
12-17-2011, 12:05 PM
7605.. Did misread the posting. Anyone knows the best firmware for this tv?

petasis
12-18-2011, 12:08 PM
patasis
it seems your happy with a sotwear long as it has good pictuer qulity from tvs build in tuner but what do you think of this softwears for hd stuff like mkv freeview hd and bluray becuase i dont use the tvs tuner as i dident pay 2000 pound to watch sd from tvs tuner

I am not sure I have seen any improvement in HD. Mostly DVB-T was improved. I see DVB-T all the time...

ali54
12-18-2011, 02:59 PM
I am not sure I have seen any improvement in HD. Mostly DVB-T was improved. I see DVB-T all the time...

what your view on the pictuer quilty after 0.25 do you think the black levle is not as good. im asking you this becuse you me and freddy had are 9705 about same time

peelaaa
12-19-2011, 04:48 PM
If installing version 25, what features or updates do you lose over the newer versions. Is it worth it for the better picture?

ali54
12-19-2011, 07:12 PM
If installing version 25, what features or updates do you lose over the newer versions. Is it worth it for the better picture?

try it if you dont like it you can change back to your current one the pictuer quilty is outstanding but not all 9705 can go back to 0.25

RonianAT
12-19-2011, 09:09 PM
Someone please upload the last firemware (August). This incompetence by Philips sickens me. The newest one is the worst I had so far. Unbearable sound issues.

Toengel
12-19-2011, 10:00 PM
Hi,

Firmware 140.45 has been release - please try this one...

Toengel@Alex

peelaaa
12-20-2011, 12:17 PM
Hi,

Firmware 140.45 has been release - please try this one...

Toengel@Alex

I have just installed version 34 as 25 would not install. The 2D picture does look sharper now and colours have more saturation, blacks appear to have more depth too.

When I installed version 44 I thought the picture seemed more grainy and pixellated than version 40. 34 is fine, I wil stick with it until I hear good reports about 45.
I work as a broadcast engineer so am used to watching very high quality pictures on professional monitors. This was main reason why I bought the 9705. The software versions are irritating though. Can philips just not get it right, they have a great tv here that is losing a good reputation!

petasis
12-20-2011, 03:33 PM
what your view on the pictuer quilty after 0.25 do you think the black levle is not as good. im asking you this becuse you me and freddy had are 9705 about same time

I never had any issues regarding black levels. I bought my 46" 9705 on mid-September 2010 (I was the first 46" 9705 own in Greece), and despite reading various rumors on the forums (about newer panels & board replacements), I was never tempted to send my TV to the service.

Regarding black levels, I had measured (with a special instrument called ColourMunki from Spectracal) the black level on an image provided by a plasma fan, and measured these:
http://i864.photobucket.com/albums/ab207/petasis/Philips%2046%209705/Sunset1-Measurements.png

Of course I would like better blacks near black objects, but the blacks are satisfactory, and what I expected from a direct local dimming TV with 224 zones.

Tech-UK
12-20-2011, 04:39 PM
How do I go about downgrading. Is it the same method as upgrading?

Thanks.

ali54
12-20-2011, 05:08 PM
How do I go about downgrading. Is it the same method as upgrading?

Thanks.

turn off tv by the switch put the usb in keep your finger on the ok botten then turn the switch back on then the downgrade will start if you have the old 9705 go back to 0.25 as this is the best for pictuer qulity let me no what you think off it

Tech-UK
12-20-2011, 05:11 PM
Thank you. Can it be installed (.25) through the menu of the TV, as I have it up now as auto_root. Or shall I do it the way you have suggested.

Thanks.

ali54
12-20-2011, 05:42 PM
dont matter long as it shows the update wich version are u downgrading form

Tech-UK
12-20-2011, 05:50 PM
Just done it. And holy mother of god! The PQ is amazing! Thank you for your help. I will be doing some tests!

ali54
12-20-2011, 06:43 PM
Just done it. And holy mother of god! The PQ is amazing! Thank you for your help. I will be doing some tests!

ok no need to rub it in as i cant go back to 0.25 and im pissed off :mad:

Freddy
12-20-2011, 10:48 PM
ok no need to rub it in as i cant go back to 0.25 and im pissed off :mad::p ;)

petasis
12-20-2011, 11:04 PM
Just done it. And holy mother of god! The PQ is amazing! Thank you for your help. I will be doing some tests!

Is it possible to upload some images from the TV, running the two different firmwares, so as to have a reference for the improvement?

ali54
12-20-2011, 11:18 PM
petasis
you can go back to 0.25 and see it for your self as you have one of the old 9705

Toengel
12-21-2011, 06:54 AM
Hi,

generally, firmware downgrad should work if one remains in the same software branch (e.g. 140.x). However, the standby software need to be in line... as Philips wrote here: http://www.supportforum.philips.com/en/showthread.php?1747-Un-official-software-website&p=7906&viewfull=1#post7906

Toengel@Alex

ali54
12-21-2011, 09:53 AM
toengel
is there any that the sandby softwear can be changed

Toengel
12-21-2011, 09:57 AM
Hi,

standby software can only be applied by technicans...

Toengel@Alex

Tech-UK
12-21-2011, 10:24 AM
ok no need to rub it in as i cant go back to 0.25 and im pissed off :mad:

:D


Is it possible to upload some images from the TV, running the two different firmwares, so as to have a reference for the improvement?

I am unable to do that, but the blacks are more inky in 0.25, detail in shadow/darker areas has improved, which to me was a problem. I am still trying out different titles, as I only use the set to watch Blu-rays. I am actually using your settings from the AVS forum!

petasis
12-21-2011, 11:01 AM
petasis
you can go back to 0.25 and see it for your self as you have one of the old 9705

Dear Ali,

I have used almost all firmwares in my 9705, and I don't remember any particular firmware as having "excellent" image quality. I have noticed some changes in it, i.e. introducing the more global effect in the picture when intense local changes happen. This may cause some trouble with subtiles in some cases, but it has decreased "undecidability" of zones, an extreme affect of which was the "Christmas lights".

I have never had a problem with black levels, and I don't remember any firmware for its "good" image, except 140.40, for its noisy DVB-T (along with some early firmwares, maybe including 0.25).

So, there is no point in me trying to go back - I won't see any "better" image quality or better blacks.

But I would like people that report these kind of things, i.e. that 0.25 has a much better picture quality than 140.44, 140.45 & 140.46, to also post some images, so we can also see the improvement.
If there is an improvement, it will be easy to capture it on camera...

This way I might understand what you are discussing about. Right now I am not sure I understand what you consider as improvement...

What is the motivation for Philips to make the picture quality worse with recent firmware updates?
TVs playing at customer houses is really their most effective advertisement. Why to make them look bad?

I think uploading images, is a way to document things. I think an image from a clip like this one:
http://i864.photobucket.com/albums/ab207/petasis/AVCLUB-500A%20-VT20-9705/IMG_6819.jpg

from a few firmwares, would be perfect.

Toengel
12-21-2011, 11:09 AM
Hi,

can you describe what's the point of your photo, please?

Toengel@Alex

petasis
12-21-2011, 11:10 AM
I have produced various settings over the period of time I have the TV, as I gained experience from its usage. My current settings form movies are the ones reported here:

http://www.supportforum.philips.com/en/showthread.php?3037-to-philips&p=16330&viewfull=1#post16330

I really want to see some pictures from your 0.25 firmware, with these settings.

petasis
12-21-2011, 11:12 AM
Hi,

can you describe what's the point of your photo, please?

Toengel@Alex

That we need a complex image as pattern, like the one shown in the image I have put. One rich in shadow detail.

carlosfm
12-21-2011, 11:37 AM
I have a 7605 and I'm noticing too a degradation of image quality with each firmware update.
Currently I have 140.44.
The colours are strange and there's lack for detail.
There's no "bite", an absolutely washed image. Looks like a cheap China job.
I miss the image quality this TV had before.
Image quality is the most important feature of a TV set (duh!) so I'm seriously considering a firmware downgrade.
Philips, you need to do something about this, ASAP!

ali54
12-21-2011, 01:25 PM
there is no two ways that the pictuer qulity is geting wors with the new updates but saying that with 0.45 the pictuer from my freeview hd looks good useing preset standerd the only thing that dos looks poor at solme scens is playing mkv and bluray
useing preset cienma

Freddy
12-21-2011, 02:09 PM
That we need a complex image as pattern, like the one shown in the image I have put. One rich in shadow detail.Even though I think it would be very difficult (impossible actually) to compare pictures between different users (because of different lighting conditions and the camera being used), you could try to compare different settings and firmwares for the same user this way.
And yes, that picture you have there is a very interesting one. Could you maybe post the original picture, so we can use it too?...

peelaaa
12-21-2011, 04:52 PM
My experiences are that 34 is definately better for picture quality then 40 or 44. 44 was more grainy than 40 but 34 is different completely. It has much less grain and SD could easily be mistaken for HD on some programs it is that good. Colours have more saturation. It is almost as good a top spec crt monitor, not at close range though.

Toengel
12-21-2011, 09:30 PM
Hi,

now you can test 140.46 :D

Toengel@Alex

carlosfm
12-22-2011, 01:03 PM
For my 7605 it's still the 140.040 for download.
I guess you 9xxx series guys are the real beta testers. :p

petasis
12-22-2011, 03:51 PM
Even though I think it would be very difficult (impossible actually) to compare pictures between different users (because of different lighting conditions and the camera being used), you could try to compare different settings and firmwares for the same user this way.
And yes, that picture you have there is a very interesting one. Could you maybe post the original picture, so we can use it too?...

This was a still from a video named "Black Demo", from this demo disk:
http://www.demo-world.eu/demo-dvds/pioneer-kuro-demonstration-disc-2007.php
Or "Black Demo Digest" from this disk:
http://www.demo-world.eu/demo-dvds/pioneer-kuro-demo-contents-2007.php

They can be found relatively easy...

miro9000
01-07-2012, 02:34 PM
I do not know if is the same for 9705, but after some days With the .46 running in my 46PFL8605, i must give to this versión a 9.

charliesangel
01-07-2012, 03:50 PM
@Miro9000
Can you share your display settings with us, i have a40PFL8605.

Thanks in advance

miro9000
01-09-2012, 11:36 AM
@Miro9000
Can you share your display settings with us, i have a40PFL8605.

Thanks in advance

Hello Charliesangel, my settings are these:

Mode: Personal (for TV channels) / Cinema (for Bluray & MKVs)

Contrast: 72
Brightness: 50
Colour: 50
Sharpness: 1/4 (SD / HD)
Noise Reduction: Off
Tint: Custom
Custom Tint: R/G/B = 121/105/95
Perfect Natural Motion: Off
200Hz Clear LCD: On
Super Resolution: Off
Perfect Contrast: Off
Dynamic Backlight: Off
MPEG Artefact Reduction: Off
Colour Enhancement: Off
Gamma: +1 (or 0 depending of the darkness of the movie)
Light Sensor: Off

But I remind you that each user has their own preferences.
So I usually make minimal changes from time to time. Especially after software updates.

I hope these setting helps you.

petasis
01-09-2012, 06:33 PM
I don't know if it is my idea, but I am seeing a brightness fluncuation on the picture in some cases with 140.46, that was not there with 140.45. It reminds me the fluctuating brightness problem that the panasonics have...

Any one else seeing this brightness variations on scenes? (that have no cause?)

ali54
01-11-2012, 12:33 PM
I don't know if it is my idea, but I am seeing a brightness fluncuation on the picture in some cases with 140.46, that was not there with 140.45. It reminds me the fluctuating brightness problem that the panasonics have...

Any one else seeing this brightness variations on scenes? (that have no cause?)

i havent seen this on my set the problem i have on my tv it dosent change brighnees at all

Freddy
05-08-2012, 01:07 PM
Based on the discussions elsewhere on this forum about the picture quality problems of the latest firmware, I updated my list on page 1.

ali54
05-08-2012, 04:12 PM
its been a long time now sens we had a good firmwear for pictuer quailty the only ones scored 9 out of 10 was 0.23 and 0.25
and that was over year ago.looks like we not going to get a good update agine or if we do it be time to buy new tv