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Toengel
03-14-2012, 09:17 PM
Hi,

Please share your experiences with this new SW version here in this topic. Channeling your input will make it easier for users to search and find relevant info.

Discuss here all your experiences when upgraded to the new version (http://www.supportforum.philips.com/showthread.php?729-Software-overview-for-8000-and-9000-series-(2010-models)): new, old, positive, negative.... (for example, the "sound drop at HDMI problem" or the "black screen during zapping problem" is solved !).

Toengel@Alex


Release for TV550R1: Q5551-0.140.47.0
Generation date: 05/03/2012 05:45:07
Release for TV550R1: Q5553-0.140.47.0
Generation date: 05/03/2012 04:56:15


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Release Notes:

Q55xx_0.140.47.0(Publication date: 2012-03-14)
Long movies will not play until the end. (not a download issue)
Loss of services from channel grid in DVB-S when using ECO-Multiswitch.

===================================

Dear customer,

Due to our global IT structure, there might be a delay in the uploading/synchronising of new SW releases (and their release notes).
Please, have a little patience if you cannot immediately see the new files on our web pages and try 1 or 2 days later. We are aware of it, and are constantly trying to improve.

Thanks and regards,
The forum moderation team

johny_sk
03-14-2012, 09:22 PM
File version EN is incorrect (v.47)

Toengel
03-14-2012, 09:32 PM
Hi,

try to download in a different language - the file in the ZIP is multilingual and exactly the same.

Toengel@Alex

johny_sk
03-14-2012, 10:07 PM
Thanks, I already download AEN version - it is OK

Nettle
03-14-2012, 10:32 PM
Dear all,

I'm downloading it right now.

I'll keep you informed after the installation.

Regards

bovirus
03-15-2012, 06:44 AM
Is it normal that teh file is classified as 14.03.2012 but inside the archive is 20.12.2011?

Philips continue to make the same error (after a lomng time - and many reports).

Philips relase the firmware without the changelog.
The changelog will be available sveral days after firmware relase.
The changelog should be availavble both (inside tehs ame archive of the firmware)
Before to upgrade I have to know the changelog.


The firmware date (published) is not teh real firmware date.
The info about teh date should be the firmware date and not teh publish date.


I sent many email to Philips to fix some errors in localization. No one answer.
Is it the right mode to work? No. Is the worst one.

Toengel
03-15-2012, 07:30 AM
Is it normal that teh file is classified as 14.03.2012 but inside the archive is 20.12.2011?


Hi,

this is a proxy issue - nothing wrong with the files.

Toengel@Alex

Chrissie18
03-15-2012, 07:49 AM
(...)

The firmware date (published) is not teh real firmware date.
The info about teh date should be the firmware date and not teh publish date.

(...)


Would you buy a car that's designed and build on the same day?
I rather wait a while until the company has done some (smoke) test that the car functions and is safe. So that if I press the break, it does not accelerate... ;)

But I do aggree with you that the changelog should be in the same file.
I mean, I could live with one or two day delay, but more is actually ridiculous... :(

Greets,
Chris.

bovirus
03-15-2012, 08:25 AM
Which is the problem to publlish some days after but include the changelog with the firmware?
Also because the engineer that develop teh firmware knows very well which are the changes.


It's a process problem. The process should be very clear and linear (most of the big brand - except Philips - did it)

- Develop the firmware

- When the firmware is ready prepare the changelog

- When the changelog is ready prepare the archive

- Put the firmware on web site reporting the firmware (internal) date and not like now the publish date (that can create a misunderstanding between expected date=publish date and real internal firmware date - 3 months before)

Note: the firmware has some localization problm. I reported it a lot of time and after more than one year the error is again in place. I reported to opensource (as explained) but no one answer.
Which is the scope of a support team if they didn't answer?

@Toengel@Alex

I understand now the meaning.

The firmware date is 06.03.2012.
Probably the file that I downlaod this morning was not update yet. Was a problem of file synchronization on different server

@Toengel@Alex

Could you help me to forward to the right Philips team my report about localization?

Peter-S
03-15-2012, 08:57 AM
Update do not work!

Set Type: 32PFL9705K/02
Production Code: VN1A1025003363
Current Main Software: Q5551_0.140.46.0
Standby Software: STDBY_84.62.1.0
Ethernet MAC Address: 00:90:3e:f4:af:8d

Toengel
03-15-2012, 09:15 AM
Hi,

"do not work" is not really a good description of what is exactly not working...

So, please be more specific.

Toengel@Alex

ali54
03-15-2012, 09:36 AM
cant see much change with this new update

Nettle
03-15-2012, 09:54 AM
cant see much change with this new update

In this period this is already a good news. :mad:

Regards

Peter-S
03-15-2012, 10:30 AM
Hi,

"do not work" is not really a good description of what is exactly not working...

So, please be more specific.

Toengel@Alex

Breaks at the end of the verification run with Error Message (direct load from https://www.p4c.philips.com/cgi-bin/dcbint/cpindex.pl?sct=LCD_TV_SU&country=DE&cat=TV_CA&scy=DE&grp=SOUND_AND_VISION_GR&ctn=32PFL9705K%2F02&catalogType=CONSUMER&language=de&slg=de&proxybuster=E4857DA692242CBFC7E98FFD55CB88CC.app10 2-drp3 ) Error message with no details known causes.

With identification file udate.htm you reach the old version.

Tried with two different working usb-sticks!

Nettle
03-15-2012, 10:35 AM
Are you meaning that the problem was raised during the download?

Regards

Toengel
03-15-2012, 10:39 AM
Hi,

does the update.htm still exists on 2010 TVs?

Toengel@Alex

Peter-S
03-15-2012, 10:54 AM
Are you meaning that the problem was raised during the download?

Regards
During the update

- load
- verify (break with error message)
- install (not reached)

Toengel
03-15-2012, 10:56 AM
Hi,

download again in different language - please recheck, if you download the right version.

Toengel@Alex

Nettle
03-15-2012, 11:08 AM
During the update

- load
- verify (break with error message)
- install (not reached)

Understood.

I prefer to avoid the fw installation for the moment on my TV with this described faulty process.

Regards

Peter-S
03-15-2012, 12:38 PM
Hi,

download again in different language - please recheck, if you download the right version.

Toengel@Alex

Error cause found: Problems on the PC-USB-Port. Loaded with the notebook, it works.

Regards

Jim Sweden
03-15-2012, 05:06 PM
Just loaded it (from swedish site) with no problems - can't see much difference excep picture maybe a little sharper!

jielse
03-15-2012, 09:03 PM
Just installed it. Except from some differences in The SmartTV colors I have not found anyting significant.
Cheers

Adamo
03-15-2012, 10:54 PM
Hi,
just installed new firmware on my 32pfl9705H/12, nothing's new for me.
I always have the bug with the IP-EPG "back" button.

The "back" button situation (for me) is:
140.39 it works
140.46 it doesn't
140.47 it doesn't

I'm very sad about that...

Bye
Adamo

Philips - Thomas
03-16-2012, 07:01 AM
Hi,

Please try to resolve your issue with the general network reconnecting:

HOME > Setup > Network settings > Clear Apps Memory
HOME > Setup > Connect to network

If this isn't helpful please provide detailed information about the issue.

Thanks in advance,
Thomas

christophexxx
03-16-2012, 09:00 AM
Hi,

sharpness overemphasis on hdmi ports except when super resolution is off. overall picture is better with 140.47.

Regards

Philips admin
03-16-2012, 09:45 AM
Dear all,

Release notes are added: read here (http://www.supportforum.philips.com/en/showthread.php?5198-Your-experiences-with-FW-v0.140.47.0-for-8xx5-and-9xx5-series-(2010-models)&p=29079&viewfull=1#post29079) at post #1.

Regards,
JuAn

Erikrijnders
03-16-2012, 05:09 PM
Fine.... Well my reaction (as always):
- No now/next box when zapping (I think a give this reaction for two years now.
- Dutch IP-EPG still not complete (still only 10% of the channels are there)

Cookie
03-16-2012, 06:17 PM
Erik, why not stop moaning and juist start watching TV? Philips already stated that this now/next will not come! I use my TV already for years without this so-called must have, and do not miss it at all.

Erikrijnders
03-16-2012, 06:26 PM
reason enough to moan as I paid al ot of monay for this tv. Other brands have it even on the cheaper tv's

ali54
03-16-2012, 07:09 PM
reason enough to moan as I paid al ot of monay for this tv. Other brands have it even on the cheaper tv's

if you not happy with your tv there is much you can do about it.just dont buy any philips product avere agine thats what im going to do

Adamo
03-16-2012, 10:38 PM
Hi,

Please try to resolve your issue with the general network reconnecting:

HOME > Setup > Network settings > Clear Apps Memory
HOME > Setup > Connect to network

If this isn't helpful please provide detailed information about the issue.

Thanks in advance,
Thomas

Hi Thomas,

I've done what you have suggested, but unfortunately it didn't solve the problem.

Basically, the problem is:
1) Start the IP-EPG
2) Press "Ok" on the remote control = the informations of the currently running tv program is shown
3) Press "back" button on the remote control = does not change anything (the red led on the tv blinks, but nothing happens)

If I use the firmware version 140.39, the above procedure works.

Please see my post:
http://www.supportforum.philips.com/en/showthread.php?3547-BUG-quot-Back-quot-doesn-t-work-at-IP-EPG&p=25788&viewfull=1#post25788

Best regards,
Adamo

el911wood
03-17-2012, 06:19 AM
Hi philips,
just reported for the firmware .46: the hdmi cec function for a ps/3 dont work anymore.
the cursor jumps most of time 2 entrys further in the ps/3 menue's. this works perfect till .45.
plz fix this or have i open a dedicated entry ?
regards

bugmenot
03-17-2012, 07:21 AM
hello guys in Philips! I experience a problem with CROP function! normally i use to set crop to 5 with watching sattv, but when i switch to watch PC DLNA server and then back to sattv CROP SETTING became ZERO and i HAVE TO RESET IT to 5 again. And i have to do it ALL THE TIME or watch a green bar at the bottom!

Erikrijnders
03-17-2012, 09:18 AM
if you not happy with your tv there is much you can do about it.just dont buy any philips product avere agine thats what im going to do
Same goed for me. Samsung is planning tv's with 5 years guaranteed upgrade....

With Philips you only have what you have, Customer service is zero and updates/upgrades too.
And that for an expensive tv.

Nettle
03-17-2012, 09:34 AM
Same goed for me. Samsung is planning tv's with 5 years guaranteed upgrade....

In fact, you're talking about Samsung, not Philips.

The best way to lose future customers is to deny at least 2-3 years of guaranteed upgrade for your previous TV models.

Philips is driving the innovation on this topic. It's shown it in dozen situations at least.

The TV is purchased once every 5-10 years and the bitter taste of the "lack of upgrade" will remain for future purchases. 100% sure!

Maybe Philips thinks that the TV is purchased once per year all over the world.
They're so cheap that I could buy them twice per year!

Perhaps we are not so keen to understand the subtle marketing strategy of Philips management.

Samsung is "naive", it has still not understood it, that's why they're still giving 5 years guaranteed upgrade possibility. The should learn from Philips.

Philips is driving the "innovation" to increase their market share worldwide!

:mad:

Regards

ali54
03-17-2012, 10:14 AM
the next tv we buy dont matter what make it is.when you buy your next tv take it home turn it on test 2d and 3d test the sound. test the smart tv works how it should if you happy keep the tv if not take it back.but one thing should not is keep the tv and in hope of one day they will fix it buy softwear update becuse buy that time it to late you cant get your money back.and thats why im not buy philips avere agine

ali54
03-17-2012, 10:17 AM
the next tv we buy dont matter what make it is.when you buy your next tv take it home turn it on test 2d and 3d test the sound. test the smart tv works how it should if you happy keep the tv if not take it not back.but one thing should not is keep the tv and in hope of one day they will fix it buy softwear update becuse buy that time it to late you cant get your money back.and thats why im not buy philips avere agine

gikophi
03-17-2012, 11:42 AM
Hi philips,
just reported for the firmware .46: the hdmi cec function for a ps/3 dont work anymore.
the cursor jumps most of time 2 entrys further in the ps/3 menue's. this works perfect till .45.
plz fix this or have i open a dedicated entry ?
regards

Same problem

Please fix this

Regards

ptha
03-18-2012, 12:44 PM
Hi I'm trying to upgrade from 0.46 to 0.47, I downloaded the file on to a USB key, but when I insert it into the TV (switched on) it just reads the USB and can find no playable files, (it doesn't attempt to upgrade). Looking at the autorun.upg file, it's the exact same size as the 0.46 version, also the text file in the zip is: OpenSource_Q55XX_0.140.46.0.txt
My model number is 32PFL8605H/12. I have upgrade the FW before without any problems.

I downloaded the update from the product support page at: http://www.p4c.philips.com/cgi-bin/dcbint/eula.pl?slg=ENG&ctn=32PFL8605H/12&dct=FUS&link=/files/3/32pfl8605h_12/32pfl8605h_12_fus_eng.zip&new_tmpl=1&mode=inpage

ali54
03-18-2012, 02:19 PM
Hi I'm trying to upgrade from 0.46 to 0.47, I downloaded the file on to a USB key, but when I insert it into the TV (switched on) it just reads the USB and can find no playable files, (it doesn't attempt to upgrade). Looking at the autorun.upg file, it's the exact same size as the 0.46 version, also the text file in the zip is: OpenSource_Q55XX_0.140.46.0.txt
My model number is 32PFL8605H/12. I have upgrade the FW before without any problems.

I downloaded the update from the product support page at: http://www.p4c.philips.com/cgi-bin/dcbint/eula.pl?slg=ENG&ctn=32PFL8605H/12&dct=FUS&link=/files/3/32pfl8605h_12/32pfl8605h_12_fus_eng.zip&new_tmpl=1&mode=inpage

try downloading from uk site

Toengel
03-18-2012, 03:05 PM
Hi,

just add a paramter to the download link... E.g. "...zip?a=b" then you wont have any proxy/caching problems and you will get the latest version.

Toengel@Alex

ptha
03-18-2012, 06:02 PM
try downloading from uk site Can you post a link? When I log in to the philips.co.uk it just redirects to the .com site when I try to download the firmware.

Also, I've noticed I can download an "American English" version: 32pfl8605h_12_fus_aen.zip which seems to have the correct: OpenSource_Q55XX_0.140.47.0.txt file and the autorun.upg file is a different size than for the 0.46 update. Does anyone know if it's a problem to use an American firmware for a TV to be used in the UK/Ireland?
Thx.

driss_himdi
03-18-2012, 06:28 PM
After all this jibberish from you guys, I still don't know or understand the benfits of upgrading to this latest .47 version. Why can't you take your out-of-topic debates somewhere else, let's keep in mind this is about the worth and difference coming from this version .47!

basically I want to know by your experience and from Philips if I should stay on recent .46 or update to this .47

As I see it so far, there's no reason to update... or have I missed something since you only talk about off-topic nonsense?

ali54
03-19-2012, 09:53 AM
After all this jibberish from you guys, I still don't know or understand the benfits of upgrading to this latest .47 version. Why can't you take your out-of-topic debates somewhere else, let's keep in mind this is about the worth and difference coming from this version .47!

basically I want to know by your experience and from Philips if I should stay on recent .46 or update to this .47

As I see it so far, there's no reason to update... or have I missed something since you only talk about off-topic nonsense?

if you whant to no what the 0.47 is like install it and find out for your self. are you waiting for us to test the new softwear out for u

Nettle
03-19-2012, 10:36 AM
After all this jibberish from you guys, I still don't know or understand the benfits of upgrading to this latest .47 version. Why can't you take your out-of-topic debates somewhere else, let's keep in mind this is about the worth and difference coming from this version .47!

basically I want to know by your experience and from Philips if I should stay on recent .46 or update to this .47

As I see it so far, there's no reason to update... or have I missed something since you only talk about off-topic nonsense?

I was thinking exactly the same.

Moreover, with the additional risk to discover a new bug on a old feature that was working ok.

Regards

petasis
03-19-2012, 04:27 PM
I have upgraded on 140.47. I haven't noticed any change actually. According to the release nodes:

Long movies will not play until the end. (not a download issue)
Loss of services from channel grid in DVB-S when using ECO-Multiswitch.

Nothing that relates to the problems we are waiting to be solved. I have to test the sound-drops issue, but I doubt there will be an improvement...
(the sound-drops from my bluray player have been significantly reduced with 140.46, from my PC there are still quite frequent)

Erikrijnders
03-19-2012, 04:48 PM
I have upgraded on 140.47. I haven't noticed any change actually. According to the release nodes:

Long movies will not play until the end. (not a download issue)
Loss of services from channel grid in DVB-S when using ECO-Multiswitch.

Nothing that relates to the problems we are waiting to be solved. I have to test the sound-drops issue, but I doubt there will be an improvement...
(the sound-drops from my bluray player have been significantly reduced with 140.46, from my PC there are still quite frequent)


Totally agree. Thinks we are screaming for, for two years now are still not implemented. Philips should be ashamed of itself in letting their customers down like this. For me no Philips tv again.

Michiel1986
03-20-2012, 10:46 PM
@ Ali how is the sharpness on this firmware is the difference between 140.34 and 140.47 big in sharpness?

I am still @ firmware 140.39 but i am just curious if the 140.47 is the best in image quality.

ali54
03-21-2012, 10:15 AM
@ Ali how is the sharpness on this firmware is the difference between 140.34 and 140.47 big in sharpness?

I am still @ firmware 140.39 but i am just curious if the 140.47 is the best in image quality.

no i tryed the 0.47 and the pictuer was same as 0.46 so im gon back to 0.34 i dont think they going to bring any more update out to change the pictuer quailty.it looks to me the old softwears was the best

petasis
03-22-2012, 08:56 AM
Before going back, can you take some pictures from a few movie scenes, with 0.47, and then with 0.34, just to see the difference in picture quality?

ali54
03-22-2012, 10:45 AM
sorry i have gon back 0.34 oready

Philips - Thomas
03-22-2012, 11:25 AM
Hi Guys

about the CEC thing with PS3, we are into this and i will keep you postet as soon as i hear anything.

Regards
Thomas

punschula
03-22-2012, 05:35 PM
Hi Guys

about the CEC thing with PS3, we are into this and i will keep you postet as soon as i hear anything.

Regards
Thomas
Hi Thomas,
maybe your Team can have a look to bring back in the next Update the Sharpnes from the "old" Days (like 140.034 or 140.039)??

ali54
03-22-2012, 06:01 PM
Hi Thomas,
maybe your Team can have a look to bring back in the next Update the Sharpnes from the "old" Days (like 140.034 or 140.039)??

can i add the black level of 0.25 bring it back

punschula
03-22-2012, 06:07 PM
can i add the black level of 0.25 bring it back
Hi Ali,
totaly i agree....

el911wood
03-22-2012, 06:17 PM
Hi Guys

about the CEC thing with PS3, we are into this and i will keep you postet as soon as i hear anything.

Regards
Thomas

thx for the attention thomas.
the cec thing lol

Michiel1986
03-26-2012, 01:37 PM
Hi Thomas,
maybe your Team can have a look to bring back in the next Update the Sharpnes from the "old" Days (like 140.034 or 140.039)??

This.

ali54
03-26-2012, 02:09 PM
guys they cant just make the pictuer sharper.its the black level need to be changed with that the pictuer becomes sharper

Erikrijnders
03-26-2012, 04:33 PM
guys they cant just make the pictuer sharper.its the black level need to be changed with that the pictuer becomes sharper

Indeed, check youir settings! maybe the settings changed by installing the software! Or maybe youi did a fabric reset.

ali54
03-26-2012, 04:56 PM
Indeed, check youir settings! maybe the settings changed by installing the software! Or maybe youi did a fabric reset.
i havent changed any settings all settings are on default

ch_harald
03-26-2012, 05:00 PM
i havent changed any settings all settings are on default

Hi, due to the ongoing discussions regarding picture quality I am still on .034 and satified but with default settings the picture would be having a terrible quality even on .034....

ali54
03-26-2012, 05:58 PM
Hi, due to the ongoing discussions regarding picture quality I am still on .034 and satified but with default settings the picture would be having a terrible quality even on .034....

the problem i dont think is the settings the problem is how backlighting is controling the over all pictuer.whats setting are you useing?

ch_harald
03-27-2012, 06:13 AM
the problem i dont think is the settings the problem is how backlighting is controling the over all pictuer.whats setting are you useing?

Hi, with .034 I am using the following settings on a 46PFL9705K:
Mode: personal
Brightness: 50
Contrast: 76
Color: 43
Sharpness: 1
Optimal resolution: on
Optimised color: off
Dyn. Backlight: standard
Color white: 127/115/84
Perfect contrast: min.
Gamma: 1
Screen margins: 4
Perfect Natural Motion: average
MPEG-Artefactsuppression: off
noise suppression: off

punschula
03-29-2012, 07:08 AM
I have downgraded to 140.34 again, because the Picture with 140.47 is too bad. With 140.34 the Picture (Sharpness and Blacklevel) are much, much better. And another point is in the old Firmware included: The automaticically rezising from the Picture (the black Bars left and right in HD-stations) to the full-sized Picture. In newer versions (it begins with the 140.39 i think) this feature will not working. I must change manually the Source from HD1 to HD2 (BluRay) and then back. After them it is working until to the next restart. Such a shame, Philips! So it is proofed again: Older is better:p

ch_harald
03-29-2012, 07:17 AM
I have downgraded to 140.34 again, because the Picture with 140.47 is too bad. With 140.34 the Picture (Sharpness and Blacklevel) are much, much better. And another point is in the old Firmware included: The automaticically rezising from the Picture (the black Bars left and right in HD-stations) to the full-sized Picture. In newer versions (it begins with the 140.39 i think) this feature will not working. I must change manually the Source from HD1 to HD2 (BluRay) and then back. After them it is working until to the next restart. Such a shame, Philips! So it is proofed again: Older is better:p

On 140.34 I am currently experiencing that Net TV is not working anymore (no connection to the server possible). According to Philips I would need to upgrade to 140.47 to enable this again - but I won't do this, because of image quality (and I have also Net TV possible via my BDP). Nevertheless - as you downgraded to 140.34: is your Net TV also not functioning?

punschula
03-29-2012, 07:28 AM
I cant answer this question, because i dont use this function any more..

ali54
03-29-2012, 10:48 AM
can philips tell us why the pictuer quailty keep geting worse with all the new updates 0.34 is best one right now but still no where good as 0.25 this is madness

Philips - Thomas
03-29-2012, 11:58 AM
Hi

everyone is talking about "bad" pictures, can you please provide us with some more detailed informations.
Also good would be Pictures!

Regards
Thomas

punschula
03-29-2012, 12:50 PM
Hi

everyone is talking about "bad" pictures, can you please provide us with some more detailed informations.
Also good would be Pictures!

Regards
Thomas
Hi Thomas,
i am shure, Philips have more than 1 Model from the 8506 Series and also they have Version 140.34 and 140.47 to compaire both side by side. If not, so maybe we can make a donate for the Development? I have described the differents (sight from my site) with the following points: The sharpness and the cloudlessness from the picture is in the 140.34 much better than in 140.47. Also the Blacklevel are more "black". And the automatically resizing from any HD-stations sending a movie with black bars left and right will work to fullsize-zoom only with the 140.34, in later Firmwares this dont work automatic! In this case you must force the function with switching during different HDMI-Sources (for example from HDMI-1 to HDMI 2 BluRay and then back!) This is horrible situation. Why dont work this not in later Firmwares? Why undisturbing this dysfunction Philips?

ali54
03-29-2012, 01:06 PM
thomas thank you for your replay this is a first time some one from philips has ask us whats wrong with pictuer quality.ok with old softwears the pictuer was more inky strong black level and sharpeer
now with new softwears not only the pictuer its not as strong as before.lot of the times the pictuer is flat no depth and on some scens looks wash out

Freddy
03-29-2012, 02:19 PM
On 140.34 I am currently experiencing that Net TV is not working anymore (no connection to the server possible). According to Philips I would need to upgrade to 140.47 to enable this again - but I won't do this, because of image quality (and I have also Net TV possible via my BDP). Nevertheless - as you downgraded to 140.34: is your Net TV also not functioning?Can you still make a connection to other devices on your network (PC through DLNA for example)?... I ask, to figure out if the network connection on your tv itself is still working.

If the network connection is still working, then some of the Philips guys here will probably be able to get you back on NetTV, by providing them with more detailed info through PM.
There is no real reason for older firmwares (140.34 and earlier) not to connect to NetTV. The only ones having intrinsic network difficulties are 140.36/37/39.

gidagap
03-30-2012, 11:28 AM
Hi

everyone is talking about "bad" pictures, can you please provide us with some more detailed informations.
Also good would be Pictures!

Regards
Thomas

The best picture quality was in FW 0.75.60.1. Can you compare this one with newers to see himself?

petasis
03-30-2012, 12:22 PM
Hi

everyone is talking about "bad" pictures, can you please provide us with some more detailed informations.
Also good would be Pictures!

Regards
Thomas

I second that. I have asked many times for a comparison.
Is there a volunteer that will post some images of the same scenes with firmware 0.34 and 0.47?

I haven't observed that, and obviously Philips is not aware of such a problem in picture quality.
Posting images may help make other users understand, and Philips identify any problems, if they exist.
How can this be solved, if it has not been identified first?

ali54
03-30-2012, 01:47 PM
I second that. I have asked many times for a comparison.
Is there a volunteer that will post some images of the same scenes with firmware 0.34 and 0.47?

I haven't observed that, and obviously Philips is not aware of such a problem in picture quality.
Posting images may help make other users understand, and Philips identify any problems, if they exist.
How can this be solved, if it has not been identified first?

you say how can they idenfied the problem its eazy philips have 9000 and 8000 models in there work shops and they must have old and new softwears so they can run tests.also you can do this test for your self as you own 9705 and you no where to download the old softwears.i think it be hard to show such difrrence by showing pictuers. its not like a big line down the screen where you be able to see in a photo

Philips - Thomas
03-30-2012, 02:29 PM
Hi Guys

the thing is that we can not see here any differences in picture quality.
If you in fact do see differences then we need your impressions to understand what is going on, you can do that by pictures or even videos.

Regards
Thomas

ali54
03-30-2012, 05:52 PM
i just tryed taking a photo from my phone but camera is poor we need some one with good hd camera to do this test.what i dont understand is philips saying they have don the test and they cant see any difrrence but how is it more pepole now saying the old softwears was the best for pictuer quailty

petasis
03-30-2012, 07:07 PM
I could downgrade and do some measurements, but I am not sure if its safe to go so many versions back of firmware. I need the opinion of Philips on this.

Will it be safe for my TV to go back to 140.034 (from 140.047), do some measurements, and upgrade back to 140.047?

ali54
03-30-2012, 07:28 PM
I could downgrade and do some measurements, but I am not sure if its safe to go so many versions back of firmware. I need the opinion of Philips on this.

Will it be safe for my TV to go back to 140.034 (from 140.047), do some measurements, and upgrade back to 140.047?

thankyou for takeing part on this petasis
if you are going to do it will be possible to downgrade to 0.25 then back to 0.47 becuse there is big diffrence betwen this two softwears and should be eazy to notice the diffrence.

Michiel1986
03-30-2012, 11:50 PM
thankyou for takeing part on this petasis
if you are going to do it will be possible to downgrade to 0.25 then back to 0.47 becuse there is big diffrence betwen this two softwears and should be eazy to notice the diffrence.
I still got 140.39 but the big change between the image quality is when it goes above firmware 140.39 everything under 140.39 should be similar, but if seen the difference if i go above 140.39 in the 40,s the sharpness is getting lesser and thats a fact, when i have some time i make a screenhot with my samsung digital camera, with 140.39 vs 140.47, then u guys can see from philips support :)

Michiel1986
03-30-2012, 11:56 PM
I could downgrade and do some measurements, but I am not sure if its safe to go so many versions back of firmware. I need the opinion of Philips on this.

Will it be safe for my TV to go back to 140.034 (from 140.047), do some measurements, and upgrade back to 140.047?

@ petasis if u can, please i also try as soon as posible when i got the time.

And if u dont mind u can do something like this u did in the past witht the video,s

http://www.supportforum.philips.com/en/showthread.php?2269-Your-experiences-with-FW-v0.140.40.0-for-8xx5-and-9xx5-series-(2010-models)/page3

on page 3 u shown it also the difference with 2 video,s everything above 140.39 to the 140. 40 series of firmwares then the picture quality goes down, like u posted in that closed tread with the video,s :)

ali54
03-31-2012, 11:47 AM
michiel1986 you are right thats why i ask for test to be don on 0.25 vs 0.47 and also must be don from a hd source eg:bluray or sky hd

Pety99
03-31-2012, 05:06 PM
I still got 140.39 but the big change between the image quality is when it goes above firmware 140.39 everything under 140.39 should be similar, but if seen the difference if i go above 140.39 in the 40,s the sharpness is getting lesser and thats a fact, when i have some time i make a screenhot with my samsung digital camera, with 140.39 vs 140.47, then u guys can see from philips support :)

Hi,
could you tell me from where i can download the FW 140.039 for TV 32pfl9705K/02.

Cookie
03-31-2012, 05:38 PM
I could downgrade and do some measurements, but I am not sure if its safe to go so many versions back of firmware. I need the opinion of Philips on this.

Will it be safe for my TV to go back to 140.034 (from 140.047), do some measurements, and upgrade back to 140.047?

What I heard from Philips is that this is quite risky, as you can get a mismatch with other SW driven parts of the TV that are not updatable by customers. Normally downgrading one version is not such a big issue as long it is the same SW branch (although also on your own risk), but going back more versions is very risky!!!!

Chrissie18
03-31-2012, 08:17 PM
I'm on version 46 and am actually mostly blown away by the sharpness of the picture...
What picture source are you using? DVB-C?

Greets,
Chris

PS Freddy: There was a firmware version with a buggy browser which caused no connection to the NetTV server, so there was a firmware that was causing the broken NetTV...

Freddy
04-01-2012, 12:27 AM
PS Freddy: There was a firmware version with a buggy browser which caused no connection to the NetTV server, so there was a firmware that was causing the broken NetTV...Correct... and not only one, but three: 140.36/37/39, so as long as you avoid those, NetTV should be able to work properly, if not by itself, then at least with a little help from one of the Philips guys!... ;)

Michiel1986
04-01-2012, 05:24 PM
Hi,
could you tell me from where i can download the FW 140.039 for TV 32pfl9705K/02.

http://philips.samipupu.com/9xx5.html here u go m8 :)

Tech-UK
04-08-2012, 12:23 PM
Hi guys. I have just updated the firmware from .25 to .47 and the black levels are much improved! Overall picture quality is better. I am using the same settings as with .25. I would recommend for those whom are still running .25, to check it out.

Freddy
04-08-2012, 01:31 PM
I have just updated the firmware from .25 to .47 and the black levels are much improved! Overall picture quality is better. I am using the same settings as with .25.
That's an interesting observation, as you are the first to claim such a thing!
Could you maybe also test the Subtitle Dimming problems again:
http://www.supportforum.philips.com/en/showthread.php?1265-Dimming-problem-every-time-subtitles-appear-on-32PFL9705/page7
and tell us if there is a difference in that regard as well?... Thanks in advance!

And Happy Easter to everyone! :)

Tech-UK
04-08-2012, 02:03 PM
That's an interesting observation, as you are the first to claim such a thing!
Could you maybe also test the Subtitle Dimming problems again:
http://www.supportforum.philips.com/en/showthread.php?1265-Dimming-problem-every-time-subtitles-appear-on-32PFL9705/page7
and tell us if there is a difference in that regard as well?... Thanks in advance!

And Happy Easter to everyone! :)

I will try that freddy, although I never tried it when running .25. My reports were from what I saw when watching a film with subs.

Tech-UK
04-08-2012, 02:08 PM
Just tested. Dimming problem is still there, with dynamic backlight setting on normal.

ali54
04-08-2012, 03:10 PM
tech-uk
if you saying the black level of 0.47 is better then 0.25 im wondering if your 0.25 was installed propely as this was reported by some users long time ago.and what they had to do was do a factroy reset then install 0.23 then do a factroy reset agine then update to 0.25

ch_harald
04-08-2012, 03:51 PM
Correct... and not only one, but three: 140.36/37/39, so as long as you avoid those, NetTV should be able to work properly, if not by itself, then at least with a little help from one of the Philips guys!... ;)
Hi, as already told: I upgraded from .32 to .34 only recently and Net TV is also not working with .34 actually, network connection is fine, DLNA is working but no connection to the Philips server for NET TV possible...

Tech-UK
04-08-2012, 04:02 PM
tech-uk
if you saying the black level of 0.47 is better then 0.25 im wondering if your 0.25 was installed propely as this was reported by some users long time ago.and what they had to do was do a factroy reset then install 0.23 then do a factroy reset agine then update to 0.25

Okay, thanks for the info. I don't think i can be bothered to try that :p. I have been constantly tweaking, changing, upgrading and downgrading, ever since I got the display, I am going to leave it for now ;). Again thanks ali.

ali54
04-08-2012, 04:57 PM
tech-uk
i was not saying you should try it.if you happy with your tv set back and enjoy it:)

punschula
04-09-2012, 06:58 AM
tech-uk
i was not saying you should try it.if you happy with your tv set back and enjoy it:)
Correct. My favorite is still 140.34. By the way, have any Guy heared from the Tests, that Thomas would be make? Thomas, did you have tested any things for the picture-quality or sharpnes? Please let us know the newest results.
And Happy eastern to all, too, from my side.

Michiel1986
04-13-2012, 12:10 AM
I just tested this version just for knowing sure if its any good, [140.46] its still the same blurry firmware like al 40,s versions, so stay below 140.40 guys! i am going back to 140.39 again.

There,s just something wrong when u go over 140.39 its like they put a noise filter or some grease fat in al firmwares above 140.39 lol.

Its like they put some fxaa or something like that in that firmware, i know i am crazy talking now its no pc with graphics card or stuff like that but i can show u guys what i mean with blurry and sharp here,s an example.

This has totaly nuthing to do with tv,s but this is what i mean a little bit.

http://hardocp.com/image.html?image=MTMyMjQ1MzM1NG1SdFV6cExsSmZfM185X 2wucG5n

140.39 left and 140.46 right just look at the noisefilter on the right picture its more blurry then the left, its the same thing as with the tv softwares, then much wurser on the tv,s.

punschula
04-13-2012, 08:38 AM
I just tested this version just for knowing sure if its any good, [140.46] its still the same blurry firmware like al 40,s versions, so stay below 140.40 guys! i am going back to 140.39 again.

There,s just something wrong when u go over 140.39 its like they put a noise filter or some grease fat in al firmwares above 140.39 lol.
Its like they put some fxaa or something like that in that firmware, i know i am crazy talking now its no pc with graphics card or stuff like that but i can show u guys what i mean with blurry and sharp here,s an example.

This has totaly nuthing to do with tv,s but this is what i mean a little bit.

http://hardocp.com/image.html?image=MTMyMjQ1MzM1NG1SdFV6cExsSmZfM185X 2wucG5n

140.39 left and 140.46 right just look at the noisefilter on the right picture its more blurry then the left, its the same thing as with the tv softwares, then much wurser on the tv,s.
Yes, that is it, what we all say all the time. Thomas, did you have any Idea or do you have tested anything in the last time? I am shure, you could satisfie a lot of Users, if you can bring back the sharpness and blacklevel from the past with a more improvement from 3D. This would be the Holy Grail for us.

peelaaa
04-13-2012, 09:56 PM
Hi

everyone is talking about "bad" pictures, can you please provide us with some more detailed informations.
Also good would be Pictures!

Regards
Thomas

In the older software versions, the 2D picture has much better chrominance, saturation is better. Picture is less noisy and shows less digital artifacts. Pictures look smoother but still sharply defined. Newer software, picture looks dull, even when turning up colour level. Picture grainy/noisy. Blacks don't have as much depth. Haven't checked 3D yet.

I work in the broadcasting industry and am used to watching professional tv monitors, so can easily spot differences between software. My 40pfl9705 is currently running version 34 as this is the best compared to 40 and 46. I have not compared 47 yet.
Still a great tv, but disappointed with software updates

peelaaa
04-13-2012, 10:11 PM
Hi,

Please try to resolve your issue with the general network reconnecting:

HOME > Setup > Network settings > Clear Apps Memory
HOME > Setup > Connect to network

If this isn't helpful please provide detailed information about the issue.

Thanks in advance,
Thomas

Net tv doesn't seem to work now with version 34. It states 'philips server not found. try again later'

ali54
04-14-2012, 09:55 AM
peelaa thankyou for your findings now i no my tv its not faulty and its the poor softwear.thats why the pictuer quailty is so poor

ch_harald
04-16-2012, 06:36 AM
Net tv doesn't seem to work now with version 34. It states 'philips server not found. try again later'

Hi - same for me. I am on v34 due to picture quality - but unfortunately no Net TV anymore. I asked Philips support and advise was to upgrade to v46 and above.... :(

jaby
04-16-2012, 05:08 PM
Hi:

I would like to test the .034 version in my 8605 but i dont find it.
Could i use the firmware of the 9705 ?

Regards
Jaby

Michiel1986
04-16-2012, 08:07 PM
Hi - same for me. I am on v34 due to picture quality - but unfortunately no Net TV anymore. I asked Philips support and advise was to upgrade to v46 and above.... :(

I can confirm that Net TV does work with firmware 140.39 :) no problems here.

punschula
04-18-2012, 08:35 AM
In the older software versions, the 2D picture has much better chrominance, saturation is better. Picture is less noisy and shows less digital artifacts. Pictures look smoother but still sharply defined. Newer software, picture looks dull, even when turning up colour level. Picture grainy/noisy. Blacks don't have as much depth. Haven't checked 3D yet.

I work in the broadcasting industry and am used to watching professional tv monitors, so can easily spot differences between software. My 40pfl9705 is currently running version 34 as this is the best compared to 40 and 46. I have not compared 47 yet.
Still a great tv, but disappointed with software updates
Thomas,
can we hope for a improved Firmware in the next time? Meaning improvements from the Picture and the 3D? And maybe you can bring back the "Autozoom" Function? This will missed since the 140.37 and above. Why? And did nowhere miss this function , only i? I cant believe this.

Toengel
04-18-2012, 09:55 AM
Hi,

I still have the autozoom with 140.47 on my 21:9

Toengle@Alex

punschula
04-18-2012, 12:17 PM
Hi,

I still have the autozoom with 140.47 on my 21:9

Toengle@Alex
Hi Alex,
i have the 52PFL8605, and he "lost" the autozoom since 104.37 and above. I have tested it yesterday again. I downgraded to 140.34 and the autozoom is working fine. I have "updated" to 140.39 and the autozoom is lost, also in all the 140.40..and higher versions. I dont know, why, but its a pity situation. I have programmed my Logitech Remote with following Macro: switch from HDMI-1 (Technisat HD8+ Receiver) to HDMI-2 (Philips BDP7500 S2) and start it---then shut down the BDP7500 and switch back to HDMI-1. Then the autozoom is working...until to the next restart from my TV. This is not, what i imagine from such a expensive TV. Whats your meaning? Can anybody confirm that?

Paladium
04-18-2012, 02:10 PM
In the older software versions, the 2D picture has much better chrominance, saturation is better. Picture is less noisy and shows less digital artifacts. Pictures look smoother but still sharply defined. Newer software, picture looks dull, even when turning up colour level. Picture grainy/noisy. Blacks don't have as much depth. Haven't checked 3D yet.

I work in the broadcasting industry and am used to watching professional tv monitors, so can easily spot differences between software. My 40pfl9705 is currently running version 34 as this is the best compared to 40 and 46. I have not compared 47 yet.
Still a great tv, but disappointed with software updates

Although I'm not at all into the technical terms regarding the picture quality I can confirm the picture quality has degraded with firmware 140.47.
Further complaints:
- Getting Net-TV working (still) is a nightmare.
- Eratic behaviour when using more then one HDMI device (getting stuck in detection loop accompanied by sound drops, devices vanishing from home menu, turning on both internal and external speakers etc) .
- More prone to syncronisation (lip sync) problems when using a C+ module.

46PFL9705 FW 140.47
BDP8000 FW 1.63
YSP4100 FW 7.03
C+ Neotion, ZIGGO Netherlands

ali54
04-18-2012, 08:04 PM
there is lot of pepole on here now not happy with the pictuer qailty of the new updates but no comment from philips about this

Toengel
04-18-2012, 09:19 PM
Hi,

I also need to say, that my picture quality decreased.

I noticed that objects moving horizontally has some kind of "echos". If e.g. an object with a sharp edge is moving from left to right, one can see parts of the previous frame. This effect wasn't present in the past. I did not change any option.

I tried everything to get a better image: pull power cord, reset picture quality options, adjust everything

But no improvement.

I noticed this on: digital HD, digital SD, analog

It's not satisfying at the moment. My WAF is gone! I need a solution!

Toengel@Alex

Freddy
04-18-2012, 10:01 PM
Hi,

I also need to say, that my picture quality decreased.
Interesting to hear this from you. Since what version did this effect you describe first appear?... Does the PNM setting have any effect on this?...


It's not satisfying at the moment. My WAF is gone! I need a solution!WAF!?... :p
http://acronyms.thefreedictionary.com/WAF
Which one?...

Toengel
04-18-2012, 10:15 PM
Hi,

I think, it started since 140.47... Changing PNM seems not to have any effect on this. However, I did not make a reboot between changing settings. I just change them, go back to TV and observe. No effect...


WAF in my case: Womens Acceptance Factor ;-)

Toengel@Alex

Chrissie18
04-20-2012, 12:14 PM
Ah... so to keep my WAF, I'm glad I'm still on 46... ;)

And actually I think somewhere here in this forum Philips did query to what people meant by the decreasing picture quality...

Regards,
Chris

ali54
04-23-2012, 07:13 PM
i think the pictuer quailty its not bad with the new softwears how avere there is a problem wich the pictuer quailty its not stabel some times it dosent dimm the pictuer and gamma tracking is poor

Toengel
04-23-2012, 07:33 PM
Hi,

in my case, it's more a smearing effect... on objects moving horizontally...

Toengel@Alex

ali54
04-23-2012, 08:34 PM
Hi,

in my case, it's more a smearing effect... on objects moving horizontally...

Toengel@Alex
i dont have such problem with my 46/9705 but like i say on mine it fails to dimm backlighting at times and gamma shift

Michiel1986
04-24-2012, 07:56 PM
i dont have such problem with my 46/9705 but like i say on mine it fails to dimm backlighting at times and gamma shift

Ali i tryd the 140.34 lastnight compard to the 140.39 i see minor difference but i think the 140.39 is a bit more sharper then the 140.34 they both good software but i think the 140.39 got better contrast a little bit, i am on teli 32pfl9705 btw.

U can try it out if u want just stay away from the 40,s xD

punschula
04-25-2012, 11:41 AM
Ali i tryd the 140.34 lastnight compard to the 140.39 i see minor difference but i think the 140.39 is a bit more sharper then the 140.34 they both good software but i think the 140.39 got better contrast a little bit, i am on teli 32pfl9705 btw.

U can try it out if u want just stay away from the 40,s xD
I agree with this statement. And once more: The 3D is better than in 034 and the Lipsync-problem in any Stations is solved in thsi Version 039. But much better would be, when we get at least a NEW Firmware with improved 3D (i know, its a dream not reality) and get back the Autozoom for my 52PFL8605, which worked with 034 and lower but not with 039 and above:(

ali54
04-27-2012, 08:04 PM
any news on softwear updates for 2010 tvs or have they stop making updates for them

Erikrijnders
04-28-2012, 10:44 AM
They havenot stopped. In my opinion there is a lot to do:
e.g. Hbbtv implementation en sharpness of HD

rollufje
05-07-2012, 05:19 PM
Hi,

I also need to say, that my picture quality decreased.

I noticed that objects moving horizontally has some kind of "echos". If e.g. an object with a sharp edge is moving from left to right, one can see parts of the previous frame. This effect wasn't present in the past. I did not change any option.

I tried everything to get a better image: pull power cord, reset picture quality options, adjust everything

But no improvement.

I noticed this on: digital HD, digital SD, analog

It's not satisfying at the moment. My WAF is gone! I need a solution!

Toengel@Alex

This "echo" is quite annoying. My 40pfl8605 has the same problem with 140.047
I think the previous firmware had this problem too, but less obvious.

It's clearly visible when light objects move on a dark background. It's a blue-ish echo and not the same as ghosting.
I tried different settings, PMR / super resolution (whatever it is) on and off. SD picture from DBV-C, HD picture from blu-ray etc.

I'll try to capture a still frame on camera this week showing the problem.

rollufje
05-07-2012, 07:29 PM
107710781079108010811082

See attached photo's.
There's 4 photo's from the adjustment bureau on blu-ray. Notice the blue borders around Matt Damon, especially when he's running.

More obvious: the leader from RTL-7 (NL). It's DVB-C in HD.
What you see is black diagonal lines moving across the screen on a yellow background.
When they are moving fast the blue color apparantly is one frame ahead of the rest... - 2nd picture shows the lines when the animation stops -
On other tv's it's really just black lines moving...

For an example of the leader, see the last seconds of this clip (after the commercial) :
http://www.rtl.nl/xl/#/u/ab9d79b2-c3aa-4589-885f-e04333cf4611/

I think since .047 it's worse than before.

@philips, is this "normal" behaviour, or is my screen faulty?

@Toengel. is this the same "echo" as you describe?

Grtz

Rolf

Model: 40pfl8605
FW: .047

Toengel
05-07-2012, 09:08 PM
Hi,

yes - the "man" pictures shows this effect very good.

@Philips

is this normal behaviour?

Toengel@Alex

Erikrijnders
05-07-2012, 09:12 PM
Hi,

in my case, it's more a smearing effect... on objects moving horizontally...

Toengel@Alex

Confirmed. Also in the Netherland with DVB-C and CI+ (Ziggo). TV 37PFL8605/H12 with the latest software .47

Freddy
05-07-2012, 09:51 PM
Dear God!... No, that's definitely not normal behavior! I've never seen it on mine. But then again, I've never treated myself on any of those firmware update "improvements" either, so...

Philips?... Please comment!

punschula
05-08-2012, 07:07 AM
At last, the Philips Mod Thomas asked us, whether can we declare and show, what we mean with "Bad Firmware". Many Users have proved it with explaining and Pictures. But now, there is the big silence....
Philips, be a "man" and comment...

rollufje
05-08-2012, 09:58 AM
It really messes up the HD experience. Now I'm focusing on these artifacts while watching a movie instead of the movie itself. Hmmm... I hope it's software related!

Chrissie18
05-08-2012, 06:44 PM
Still on .46, but never saw this behaviour on RTL-7 HD (not even a little).
Will pay a bit more attention again when watching the channel...

greets,
Chris

rollufje
05-10-2012, 09:31 AM
If I find the time I''ll test different picture settings. And post my findings.

@Chris: did you watch the RTL-7 leader? (It's only a good example of the echo, the problem is not related to this specific channel).

MrEdge
05-10-2012, 01:27 PM
I'm still on .46, but I can confirm that the same problems occur as described by Rollufje. I've never seen the RTL7 leader, but the effect in the "man" pictures is also present on my tv (40PFL9705) with .46 firmware.

Chrissie18
05-10-2012, 04:05 PM
If I find the time I''ll test different picture settings. And post my findings.

@Chris: did you watch the RTL-7 leader? (It's only a good example of the echo, the problem is not related to this specific channel).

Hi!

I will keep looking at it, and by experience I know that once I know there is something that can annoy me, I will see it... ;)

But until now I haven't seen it. I do have a quite recent model of the 9705, though. Maybe that can make a difference...

Chris.

ali54
05-16-2012, 08:15 PM
still no new updates how long do we have to wait

IronJack
05-17-2012, 02:58 PM
agree...if these shouldnt be fixed immediatly then why release upgrade?

gad
05-18-2012, 11:13 AM
The biggest problem I have with all firmwares so far is the 3d ghosting problem.

Has anyone on this forum tried the Xpand X104 universal 3D glasses with the 9705 TVs?

Do they reduce the crosstalk / ghosting?

I found them available on various online shops and I'm considering buying them, if they are gonna help improve the 3d ghosting problem.

Has anyone bought them and how do they compare with the PTA517 glasses, as far as 3d ghosting is concerned?

I also read that these X104 glasses allow you to fine tune the shutter delays for the best possible results. Anyone tried this?

ali54
05-18-2012, 07:40 PM
using the pta516 on my 46" 9705 no problem with crosstalk at all but with my old 9705 week 40 to much crosstalk what week is your tv

gad
05-23-2012, 03:30 PM
using the pta516 on my 46" 9705 no problem with crosstalk at all but with my old 9705 week 40 to much crosstalk what week is your tv

Thanks! It's good to know that there can be an improvement.

How can I find what week my TV is?

The serial number is: VN 1B 1038

ali54
05-23-2012, 05:09 PM
Thanks! It's good to know that there can be an improvement.

How can I find what week my TV is?

The serial number is: VN 1B 1038

that means your tv is week 38 with old hardwear and old stand by softwear the only way to fix the 3d crosstalk is by changing them things you can ask philips to change it the parts and softwear

Paladium
05-24-2012, 02:39 PM
From which week on is the hardware more 3D capable then?


that means your tv is week 38 with old hardwear and old stand by softwear the only way to fix the 3d crosstalk is by changing them things you can ask philips to change it the parts and softwear

ali54
05-24-2012, 05:34 PM
From which week on is the hardware more 3D capable then?

week 46 and up from what i rember

Paladium
05-24-2012, 06:21 PM
@ali54
Thanks mate. My 9705 is from week 36. My long awaited PTA516 glasses should come in tomorrow, wish me luck :)

gad
05-27-2012, 12:43 PM
that means your tv is week 38 with old hardwear and old stand by softwear the only way to fix the 3d crosstalk is by changing them things you can ask philips to change it the parts and softwear

Thanks for your advice.

Does this mean that the panel has to be changed or is it a minor hardware change?

Would Philips bother since the TV is 1.5 years old?

gad
05-27-2012, 12:45 PM
@ali54
Thanks mate. My 9705 is from week 36. My long awaited PTA516 glasses should come in tomorrow, wish me luck :)

Let us know, how it goes with your new glasses!

Paladium
05-27-2012, 02:28 PM
Had some minor problems getting it to work. PTA 516 (V3) does what it's supposed to do, no humming sound as the earlier revision. For me personally the shutter frequency is to low.
Have been watching Pirates of the Carribean and a TT of Man documentary. 3D quality at it's best is somewhat convincing but not as brilliant as shown on more modern TV sets or as Philips claimed in 2010 a "truly immersive 3D movie experience".
In 3D mode local dimming is off. So you need to select a smart picture setting like Vivid to cranck up the backlight.
Plain annoying is the pop-up asking if you really, really want to see the detected BD disk in 3D.

Philips 46PFL9705 sw 47
Yamaha YSP-4100 sw 7.03
Philips BDP8000 sw 1.63
Quantis CI+

Toengel
05-27-2012, 03:15 PM
Hi,

on the other side one need to know, that 2010 TVs are the first 3D generation (at Philips).

But good to know, that your glasses are buzzing-free now.

Toengel@Alex

Paladium
05-27-2012, 06:08 PM
Hi Toengel,

First of all congrats with your wedding :D

Wether it's the first generation or not to me it doesn't live up to the claim "truly immersive 3D movie experience".
On the other hand the excellent picture quality in 2D (OK for some reason not in the latest FW updates ;)) combined with Ambilight still is very hard to beat by LCD tv's from other brands even in more recent models.

If asked what brand to choose when buying a new LCD right now it would be difficult to go for Philips again. After about 18 monhs of owning a 46PFL9705 the only pro's are the unique selling points of the 9xxx series beiing the excellent picture quality (local dimming) and the Ambilight. Con's would be the constant user input to keep the thing up and running due to buggy software. You could read all about it in my postings over here.

Chrissie18
05-27-2012, 06:36 PM
Had some minor problems getting it to work. PTA 516 (V3) does what it's supposed to do, no humming sound as the earlier revision. For me personally the shutter frequency is to low.

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Hi Paladium,

Did you first owned the PTA's that were buzzing?
I own two of them and they are buzzing...

Chris.

Paladium
05-27-2012, 06:41 PM
@Chrissie18

Didn't own one of the former revisions myself. Was warned about the humming/buzzing problem (fora and at Toengels excellent blog) with them so I decided to wait untill V3 was released.

ali54
05-27-2012, 09:44 PM
cant buy the 516 here in uk any more they are selling the 517 now
@paladium you are right i have seen the 2d pictuer geting worse over time with the new updates i also own
46" 9705 i wish i could go back to the good old 0.25 but i cant there for my next tv be samsung or panasoinc

gad
05-27-2012, 09:59 PM
Had some minor problems getting it to work. PTA 516 (V3) does what it's supposed to do, no humming sound as the earlier revision. For me personally the shutter frequency is to low.
Have been watching Pirates of the Carribean and a TT of Man documentary. 3D quality at it's best is somewhat convincing but not as brilliant as shown on more modern TV sets or as Philips claimed in 2010 a "truly immersive 3D movie experience".


It's good to know that at least 3d is watchable with your TV.

In my case the crosstalk on my week 38 46PFL9705 is so bad that it's impossible to watch anything 3d without wrecking my head.

I would agree with you that the experience I had so far with my 46PFL9705 is so bad, that even though I was buying just Philips TVs all my life (all top range models), I decided never to buy Philips again. I just want to fix and salvage, whatever is salvageable, with my current TV and keep it another year or two, and then I'm never looking back again.

There's so many bugs and problems with this TV.

The ones that annoy me most right now, are:
1) Picture and ambilight settings keep resetting every now and then
2) Now and next, isn't there, nor will it ever be implemented according to Philips (that's a bad one for me)
3) 3d crosstalk is very bad - I hope this can be improved

So right now I'm placing my hopes on improving 3d, to get just a bit more out of this expensive TV.

Paladium
05-28-2012, 08:00 AM
@gad

Problem 1 and 3 should be a warranty claim beiing faulty hardware/software.
Problem 2 Although I appreciate your personal view on this Philips never claimed it was one of the features so at the most it could be considered as poor judgement from Philips not to implement it.

Good luck ;)

Erikrijnders
05-28-2012, 09:59 AM
Paladium: look at the specs of this tv on internet: EPG NOW/NEXT is for sure in the specs. So Philips claims its there, but it isnot. There is no consumer on earth wo would epect that this isnot a now/next box when zapping!!!!!! (Because Philips hides everthing under buttons one never uses).

With EPG NOW/NEXT every consumer expects a now/next box when zapping with the program info.

From the Dutch site: 37PFL8605/H12 (my tv)

http://www.philips.nl/c/televisie/8000-serie-full-hd-1080p-digitale-tv-van-94-cm-37-inch-37pfl8605h_12/prd/nl/;jsessionid=E8B5D563ED6486748FE447B2E8119E98.app10 1-drp2?t=specifications

Elektronische programmagids: Nu + Straks EPG, Elektronische programmagids voor 8 dagen*

Paladium
05-29-2012, 03:23 PM
An EPG is on board, has the now/next feature and provides details for 8 days ahead is what I read.
I'll guess it's the ease of use (or the lack of it) that bothers you.

Erikrijnders
05-29-2012, 04:45 PM
ease of use is indead what bothers me, no consumer expects that you have to press a lot of buttons before you can see what program is on and next. As a consumer buying this tv you expect a now/next box when zapping when reading the specs. like on all other brands.

gad
06-01-2012, 11:35 AM
@gad

Problem 1 and 3 should be a warranty claim beiing faulty hardware/software.
Problem 2 Although I appreciate your personal view on this Philips never claimed it was one of the features so at the most it could be considered as poor judgement from Philips not to implement it.

Good luck ;)

And in one hour my TV will be collected to be repaired! :)

I hope these annoying problems (1 and 3) are solved!

Thanks for your advice guys!!!

As far as 2 is concerned, I agree with Erikrijnders, that when I was reading the specs and all reviews and after a thorough research before buying the TV, I had never ever thought that the most simple functionality of Now/Next would be so backwards/awkwardly implemented.
It is so weird that to view the EPG or what is "Now on" you have to see a big black screen with no sound that stops whatever you are watching! That for me was very unexpected from such a high end TV, whilst low end cheap TVs had/have this basic and standard functionality.

That is why I consider this a poor implementation, which is due for a correct fix. Now the fact that they claim that it is unfixable is a different story. I believe that its is fixable but they are simply unwilling to do so.

Anyways! :)

I hope at least my 3d will be fixed!!!

Will let you know how it goes ...

Toengel
06-07-2012, 06:22 PM
Hi,

as I told, I have extreme smearing. Please take a look at: http://www.supportforum.philips.com/en/showthread.php?6099-Extreme-in-motion-smearing-while-watching-TV-(FW-140-47-2010-TV)

Toengel@Alex

Paladium
06-07-2012, 08:52 PM
Newest prolem with my 9705:

Have seen this before occasionally but thought a sw update in the past had solved it.
Beginning some two weeks ago when watching TV every now and then the picture freezes then turns to black, ambilight turns off and immediatly the TV restarts stating an external amplifier has been detected (which is correct). This will repeat itself several times.
On one occasion the ambilight didn't come back. Had to enable it myself in the setings menu where it was disabled. Have seen this behaviour with almost all TV channels. Signal strenght and quality are at the same levels as before.

Any ideas or suggestions?

46PFL9705 sw 140.47
BDP8000 sw 1.63
Yamaha YSP4100 sw 7.03
Quantis CI+, ZIGGO cable TV

Pety99
06-08-2012, 09:04 PM
Hi,

as I told, I have extreme smearing. Please take a look at: http://www.supportforum.philips.com/en/showthread.php?6099-Extreme-in-motion-smearing-while-watching-TV-(FW-140-47-2010-TV)

Toengel@Alex

Hello
this problem, that the image is blurred during a horisontal movement i saw already when I installed the FW 140.40. Since then it is not as before. My TV is still under warranty do not want to do the downgrade to see if the problem disappears. I use FW 140.46 but the image is not sharp.: Confused:

TNOL
06-11-2012, 01:31 PM
@Paladium. post #155: I had the same problem with my 46PFL9705 with SMIT Ci+ card. The problem was that there were digital channels added by the provider (Ziggo in NL). After re-installing all TV channels (analog + digital) the problem was solved.

rollufje
06-11-2012, 04:21 PM
Hi all,

Small bug when I choose to disable the internal speakers. I always use an external amp.

The problem is when powering on the TV the built-in speakers are always enabled at first. After a few seconds they get shut down. This is when sound is sent to the TV via HDMI from an external source.

Not very annoying, but it's kinda loud for a few seconds before the internal amp gets cut off....

Maybe a nice touch to fix in the next release :)

Rolf

40pfl8605
140.047

rollufje
06-11-2012, 04:31 PM
BTW,

tomorrow a Philips technician is droppping by to fix / see a problem with my CI+ module connection.
I'm going to show the "blue border" problem also. (see post on page 9: http://www.supportforum.philips.com/en/showthread.php?5198-Your-experiences-with-FW-v0-140-47-0-for-8xx5-and-9xx5-series-(2010-models)/page9 )

I'll post his opinion / findings.

Rolf

ch_harald
06-12-2012, 05:57 AM
Hi all,

Small bug when I choose to disable the internal speakers. I always use an external amp.

The problem is when powering on the TV the built-in speakers are always enabled at first. After a few seconds they get shut down. This is when sound is sent to the TV via HDMI from an external source.

Not very annoying, but it's kinda loud for a few seconds before the internal amp gets cut off....

Maybe a nice touch to fix in the next release :)

Rolf

40pfl8605
140.047

Hi,
I am also using always external amp. You can avoid the "noise" at start-up (until the external amp takes over) by putting the volume of the internal speakers to Zero (this works - at least for my 9705 - independent from the volume set at the external amp).
BR
Harald

rollufje
06-12-2012, 08:43 AM
Hi,
I am also using always external amp. You can avoid the "noise" at start-up (until the external amp takes over) by putting the volume of the internal speakers to Zero (this works - at least for my 9705 - independent from the volume set at the external amp).
BR
Harald

Hi Harald,

Thanks for the solution. I'm going to try it.

Rolf

Paladium
06-12-2012, 09:27 AM
Let's see if I get this right: this restarting occurs after a single update ? Or after every update ?


@Paladium. post #155: I had the same problem with my 46PFL9705 with SMIT Ci+ card. The problem was that there were digital channels added by the provider (Ziggo in NL). After re-installing all TV channels (analog + digital) the problem was solved.

TNOL
06-12-2012, 10:42 AM
Let's see if I get this right: this restarting occurs after a single update ? Or after every update ?

Until now I experienced this restarting only once. It was after the adding and/or rearranging of the regional channels on the Ziggo network in NL.

When I see the message at the bottom of the screen, that there is a channel update and that the channels will be updated during next standby, I immediately re-install all channels.

With this method I had no spontaneous resets anymore.

Paladium
06-12-2012, 02:48 PM
Havn't seen this particular message for a very long time.

Is it possible to get any statement from Philips on this ? I.e. is this a normal behaviour and should the user re-install channels every time a cable provider sends out an update ?



Until now I experienced this restarting only once. It was after the adding and/or rearranging of the regional channels on the Ziggo network in NL.

When I see the message at the bottom of the screen, that there is a channel update and that the channels will be updated during next standby, I immediately re-install all channels.

With this method I had no spontaneous resets anymore.

Paladium
06-13-2012, 01:35 PM
Yesterday immediatly after turning on the TV the rebooting started again. While leaving the other devices connected to the TV turned on I turned off the TV (both via RC and hard switch) pulled the power plug and waited a few minutes before turning on the TV again. After that (untill now) I have had no problems.

Beats the plain time consuming and over-complicated procedure of re-installing and rearranging the TV channels again.

Any users around here who might know or suspect the root cause of this behaviour ?


Until now I experienced this restarting only once. It was after the adding and/or rearranging of the regional channels on the Ziggo network in NL.

When I see the message at the bottom of the screen, that there is a channel update and that the channels will be updated during next standby, I immediately re-install all channels.

With this method I had no spontaneous resets anymore.

Toengel
06-14-2012, 07:38 AM
Hi,

firmware 140.48 has been released. Please install and post your feedback here: http://www.supportforum.philips.com/en/showthread.php?6183-Your-experiences-with-FW-v0-140-48-0-for-8xx5-and-9xx5-series-(2010-models)

Toengel@Alex

gad
06-16-2012, 01:30 PM
that means your tv is week 38 with old hardwear and old stand by softwear the only way to fix the 3d crosstalk is by changing them things you can ask philips to change it the parts and softwear


From which week on is the hardware more 3D capable then?


week 46 and up from what i rember


@ Ali54

I have sent my TV for repair and I need some more info. The shop is asking me to backup my claim that the 9705 after week 46 has updated hardware & standby software that improves or fixes the 3d crosstalk.

Can you please help me with any posts / articles / proof that show that a week 38 tv like mine has faulty h/w & s/w.

Thanks!!!