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JunePaik
04-16-2012, 02:34 PM
Hi,

I recorded many videos from german television with my dreambox.
When I put the ts-files onto a usb flash drive or burn them on DVD/Blu Ray (data disc) everything plays fine.
MKV works fine too, seems to be fixed a while ago.
http://www.supportforum.philips.com/en/showthread.php?2044-BDP3200-12-no-video-on-HD-DVB-C-recording-in-mkv-container

When I create an AVCHD-DVD or Blu-Ray from the same recordings the video is stuttering extremly.
It happens with all 720p footage, 1080i is okay.

MediaInfo:

1. TS

Format : MPEG-TS
File size : 2.53 GiB
Duration : 46mn 57s
Overall bit rate : 7 709 Kbps

Video
ID : 6010 (0x177A)
Menu ID : 11100 (0x2B5C)
Format : AVC
Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile : High@L4.0
Format settings, CABAC : Yes
Format settings, ReFrames : 5 frames
Format settings, GOP : M=16, N=32
Codec ID : 27
Duration : 46mn 57s
Bit rate mode : Variable
Bit rate : 6 358 Kbps
Maximum bit rate : 11.5 Mbps
Width : 1 280 pixels
Height : 720 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate : 50.000 fps
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
Bit depth : 8 bits
Scan type : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.138
Stream size : 2.09 GiB (82%)
Color primaries : BT.709-5, BT.1361, IEC 61966-2-4, SMPTE RP177
Transfer characteristics : BT.709-5, BT.1361
Matrix coefficients : BT.709-5, BT.1361, IEC 61966-2-4 709, SMPTE RP177

2. MKV


Format : Matroska
Format version : Version 1
File size : 2.30 GiB
Duration : 46mn 59s
Overall bit rate : 7 000 Kbps
Encoded date : UTC 2012-04-16 09:06:09
Writing library : Haali DirectShow Matroska Muxer 1.11.96.14

Video
ID : 1
Format : AVC
Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile : High@L4.0
Format settings, CABAC : Yes
Format settings, ReFrames : 5 frames
Format settings, GOP : M=16, N=32
Codec ID : V_MPEG4/ISO/AVC
Duration : 46mn 59s
Bit rate mode : Variable
Bit rate : 5 901 Kbps
Maximum bit rate : 11.5 Mbps
Width : 1 280 pixels
Height : 720 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate : 50.000 fps
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
Bit depth : 8 bits
Scan type : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.128
Stream size : 1.94 GiB (84%)
Title : PID 6010 Video
Color primaries : BT.709-5, BT.1361, IEC 61966-2-4, SMPTE RP177
Transfer characteristics : BT.709-5, BT.1361
Matrix coefficients : BT.709-5, BT.1361, IEC 61966-2-4 709, SMPTE RP177

3. AVCHD/Blu Ray


Format : BDAV
Format/Info : Blu-ray Video
File size : 2.32 GiB
Duration : 46mn 58s
Overall bit rate : 7 061 Kbps
Maximum Overall bit rate : 35.5 Mbps

Video
ID : 4113 (0x1011)
Menu ID : 1 (0x1)
Format : AVC
Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile : High@L4.0
Format settings, CABAC : Yes
Format settings, ReFrames : 5 frames
Format settings, GOP : M=16, N=32
Codec ID : 27
Duration : 46mn 58s
Bit rate mode : Variable
Bit rate : 6 325 Kbps
Maximum bit rate : 11.5 Mbps
Width : 1 280 pixels
Height : 720 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate : 50.000 fps
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
Bit depth : 8 bits
Scan type : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.137
Stream size : 2.08 GiB (90%)
Color primaries : BT.709-5, BT.1361, IEC 61966-2-4, SMPTE RP177
Transfer characteristics : BT.709-5, BT.1361
Matrix coefficients : BT.709-5, BT.1361, IEC 61966-2-4 709, SMPTE RP177


Looking forward to your reply.
Best regards

JunePaik
04-17-2012, 01:21 PM
Hi,

I figured out a couple of things:

- the 3280/12 is able to play Main@L4.0 content
- it can play AVCHD/BR files from usb drive
You have to create a folder "AVCHD" to root of USB flash drive and into that folder copy the BDMV directory.

Relating to the AVCHD/Blu-Ray playback problem, I noticed that it has nothing to do with 720p or 1080i. I recorded some 720p stuff from Austrian and Swiss TV channels and they work fine (mkv and AVCHD)

for example:


Format : BDAV
Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec
File size : 26.3 MiB
Duration : 22s 120ms
Overall bit rate : 9 978 Kbps
Maximum Overall bit rate : 35.5 Mbps

Video
ID : 4113 (0x1011)
Menu ID : 1 (0x1)
Format : AVC
Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile : Main@L4.0
Format settings, CABAC : Yes
Format settings, ReFrames : 2 frames
Format settings, GOP : M=3, N=12
Codec ID : 27
Duration : 22s 180ms
Bit rate mode : Variable
Bit rate : 9 126 Kbps
Maximum bit rate : 9 000 Kbps
Width : 1 280 pixels
Height : 720 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate : 50.000 fps
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
Bit depth : 8 bits
Scan type : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.198
Stream size : 24.1 MiB (92%)
Color primaries : BT.709-5, BT.1361, IEC 61966-2-4, SMPTE RP177
Transfer characteristics : BT.709-5, BT.1361
Matrix coefficients : BT.709-5, BT.1361, IEC 61966-2-4 709, SMPTE RP177


or


Format : BDAV
Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec
File size : 20.3 MiB
Duration : 15s 200ms
Overall bit rate : 11.2 Mbps
Maximum Overall bit rate : 35.5 Mbps

Video
ID : 4113 (0x1011)
Menu ID : 1 (0x1)
Format : AVC
Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile : High@L4.0
Format settings, CABAC : Yes
Format settings, ReFrames : 3 frames
Format settings, GOP : M=2, N=24
Codec ID : 27
Duration : 15s 300ms
Bit rate mode : Variable
Bit rate : 10.3 Mbps
Maximum bit rate : 40.0 Mbps
Width : 1 280 pixels
Height : 720 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate : 50.000 fps
Standard : Component
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
Bit depth : 8 bits
Scan type : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.223
Stream size : 18.7 MiB (92%)
Color primaries : BT.709-5, BT.1361, IEC 61966-2-4, SMPTE RP177
Transfer characteristics : BT.709-5, BT.1361
Matrix coefficients : BT.709-5, BT.1361, IEC 61966-2-4 709, SMPTE RP177

Therefore I think the AVCHD/Blu-Ray playback problem with german television has to do with:


Format settings, ReFrames : 5 frames
Format settings, GOP : M=16, N=32

Would be great if you can fix it. Please tell me if you need a video file to reproduce the problem.

Regards

Oscar
04-18-2012, 10:25 AM
Did you try with a different framerate already?

JunePaik
04-18-2012, 10:39 AM
No, I want to avoid reencoding the video.

Oscar
04-18-2012, 11:11 AM
I understand that but looking at the other thread when user did this it solved the problem....worth a try and to let us know the outcome

kwinnie
04-19-2012, 02:18 AM
hi there,
when i look into the codec table (your model is a 2011 model), it only support these video formats:
1043

hence, ts, bdav, may not be supported. also when you look at the frame rate, it's from 6-30. here you have 50. so this may lead to playability issue.

i also share the same thought with oscar, maybe you hv to convert/ encode your files again.

JunePaik
04-26-2012, 12:00 PM
hence, ts, bdav, may not be supported. also when you look at the frame rate, it's from 6-30. here you have 50. so this may lead to playability issue.

Well, ts works fine, bdav works fine too, except for most of the german tv stuff (bdav container (m2ts) = avchd, blu ray format).



i also share the same thought with oscar, maybe you hv to convert/ encode your files again.

i did..
another test-recording - don't work


Format : BDAV
Format/Info : Blu-ray Video
File size : 65.1 MiB
Duration : 43s 460ms
Overall bit rate : 12.6 Mbps
Maximum Overall bit rate : 35.5 Mbps

Video
ID : 4113 (0x1011)
Menu ID : 1 (0x1)
Format : AVC
Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile : High@L4.0
Format settings, CABAC : Yes
Format settings, ReFrames : 5 frames
Format settings, GOP : M=16, N=32
Codec ID : 27
Duration : 43s 220ms
Bit rate mode : Variable
Bit rate : 11.5 Mbps
Width : 1 280 pixels
Height : 720 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate : 50.000 fps
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
Bit depth : 8 bits
Scan type : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.250
Stream size : 59.8 MiB (92%)
Color primaries : BT.709-5, BT.1361, IEC 61966-2-4, SMPTE RP177
Transfer characteristics : BT.709-5, BT.1361
Matrix coefficients : BT.709-5, BT.1361, IEC 61966-2-4 709, SMPTE RP177

Reencoded using TMPGEnc Authoring Works (same frame rate, resultion, reframes etc.) - work




Format : BDAV
Format/Info : Blu-ray Video
File size : 69.4 MiB
Duration : 44s 756ms
Overall bit rate : 13.0 Mbps
Maximum Overall bit rate : 35.5 Mbps

Video
ID : 4113 (0x1011)
Menu ID : 1 (0x1)
Format : AVC
Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile : High@L4.0
Format settings, CABAC : Yes
Format settings, ReFrames : 5 frames
Codec ID : 27
Duration : 44s 780ms
Bit rate mode : Variable
Bit rate : 12.4 Mbps
Width : 1 280 pixels
Height : 720 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate : 50.000 fps
Standard : PAL
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
Bit depth : 8 bits
Scan type : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.269
Stream size : 64.2 MiB (92%)
Writing library : x264 core 114
Color primaries : BT.709-5, BT.1361, IEC 61966-2-4, SMPTE RP177
Transfer characteristics : BT.709-5, BT.1361
Matrix coefficients : BT.709-5, BT.1361, IEC 61966-2-4 709, SMPTE RP177

As you can see, the only entry missing is:
Format settings, GOP : M=16, N=32

This has to be the problem, not the frame rate, file format, container or whatever.
Exactly the same issue as mentioned in the old thread (http://www.supportforum.philips.com/en/showthread.php?2044-BDP3200-12-no-video-on-HD-DVB-C-recording-in-mkv-container&p=10763&viewfull=1#post10763).

In some german boards it's already called "philips gop issue" ;)