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JoJoHUK
12-12-2010, 01:01 PM
Hi there,

Sorry if this is in the wrong place but I can't seem to post a new message in the Streaming forum.

I have just purchased a 40PFL9705 and have connected my laptop to it via a wireless connection. I have several .mkv files on my laptop that I would like to watch on the TV but they don't play (most of the files aren't even recognised and the ones that are keep getting an error message "file format not supported".

I've been looking around here all morning nad think that they are not in the right codec format (they need to be h.264) but I don't understand what this means as I'm very new to this!! Also does the bitrate (again I don't know what this means!) and frames per second figures matter?

Any advice anyone can give me on getting this to work I'd be very very grateful.

Thanks

Toengel
12-12-2010, 01:54 PM
Hi,

see: http://www.supportforum.philips.com/showthread.php?677-Supported-CODEC-overview-for-2010-model-numbers-(TV-HTS-and-BluRay).

Toengel@Alex

petasis
12-12-2010, 09:24 PM
Unfortunately all Philips TVs will not play the vast majority of mkv files, as 99% of them have DTS sound.
They do not even support playing the file, and sending the DTS stream to HDMI (ARC) or SPDIF.
In reality, what is offered has no to very limited practical use...

Toengel
12-13-2010, 08:21 AM
Hi,

and 99% of all MKV are illegal copies of Blu-ray-Discs... Who can create DTS streams for home videos? Think about that... ;-)

Toengel@Alex

foo
01-11-2011, 07:09 PM
Hi,

and 99% of all MKV are illegal copies of Blu-ray-Discs... Who can create DTS streams for home videos? Think about that... ;-)

Toengel@Alex

...yeah and i bet 99% of all car owners are speeders and philips never broke any laws.

Even if that figure is right, which i seriously doubt, then who are you/is philips to judge? Not everybody lives under US laws, and not everybody is a pirate because he wants to play DTS audio. Usually a company thinks what can i do to make more money -> what the customers want.

anyway..
for all fellows who can't read moronic formats (because they don't want to pirate MS Office just to see a file, because the publisher was too lazy to put it in a standardized format), here's the unofficial supported format list:
https://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=0AuzOXVXXm751dGhUQXNKLVRZeUNHVUpIdVRwRHhHb EE&hl=en&single=true&gid=0&output=html

petasis
01-11-2011, 08:02 PM
Well, denial is n easy fix... :)

Who needs DTS in MKVs? All MKVs with DTS are illegal...
Who needs subtitles in MKVs? All MKVs with subtitles are illegal, let alone that everyone should know English.
Who needs DVB-T EPG? What will happen to TV program magazines, and sites like tvtv then?
Who needs DTS pass-through from the SPDIF output? Go buy a new amplifier that has HDMI or see a movie with DD (if you can find one)...
Who needs a better UI? You have time to watch TV (instead of working) and you complain because you have to press 6 keys to switch to HDMI?
Who needs better DVB-T image quality? There are so many HD movies, and you want to watch SD in DVB-T from local channels?
Who needs to correct the menu spelling mistakes? You can understand the menus as they are, and if not, just try all possibilities till it works...
Who needs a keyboard? The most popular youtube videos are already in the front page, why do you need to search?
Who needs to search youtube in Greek? English videos are better than Greek ones, no need to see them. If you insist, use your laptop...

You, the never satisfied customers, you don't appreciate what we have provided at a real bargain (a 46" 9705 for only 2.500 euros): a TV that shows an image, and most of the times has sound! The rest of your requests are illogical or illegal, so nothing needs to be fixed, our firmware team can finally enjoy some vacations...

My post is a humoristic one, but I am puzzled at how much it differs from reality... :rolleyes:

foo
01-12-2011, 03:47 PM
My post is a humoristic one, but I am puzzled at how much it differs from reality... :rolleyes:

true, true..

just for the record: IT'S NOT ILLEGAL (certainly not in switzerland) TO CREATE BACKUP COPIES OF DVDs, BLU-GAYs, and HighDubiosity-DVDs (for solely personal usage of course) - EVEN IF THIS MEANS CIRCUMVENTING DIGITAL RESTRICTION MANAGEMENT SYSTEMS.

Simple show-case: i _have_ to rip BG-Discs to watch them because some industry morons thought that i should not be able to play them on unrestricted systems (such as linux, xBSD, ...) and i don't have and don't want to use a restricted system. Thanks to some smart guys there's at least some way to play it now :)

Btw. where can i get the firmware of those linux-running TVs? Might just hack in subtitle support myself if philips would let me..

petasis
01-12-2011, 04:48 PM
You are not alone. I have proposed to Philips to help them improve their firmware, free of charge and willing to sign a confidentiality contract if they want, and they never replied...

foo
01-12-2011, 05:00 PM
You are not alone. I have proposed to Philips to help them improve their firmware, free of charge and willing to sign a confidentiality contract if they want, and they never replied...

seems you can get the sources here: http://www.p4c.philips.com/files/5/ (if you have a 50-59" TV, probably replace 5 by 4 for 40-49" TVs)

but i doubt you'll be able to patch your TV with a changed firmware as it most probably needs to be signed.. (the GPL3 and a few lawyers will help with that if there's any such licensed software in the package)

might just ask..

philips: please post (or PM me/us) the signing key for your firmwares - all of them if different - so that we can help you improve your products.
thanks

avia
01-12-2011, 11:07 PM
but i doubt you'll be able to patch your TV with a changed firmware as it most probably needs to be signed..
Yes, the keys are holded inside of NAND flash. You cannot therefore even replace this flash with new programmed one because of that.

I think that Philips can solve all problems by allowing users to write any new software while having a read-only first boot loader that never erases and can help to restore original software in cause of bad user soft.
Why not, Philips?

Philips
01-13-2011, 09:04 AM
philips: please post (or PM me/us) the signing key for your firmwares - all of them if different - so that we can help you improve your products. thanks

Hmmm, interesting thoughts guys :cool:. I have forwarded your idea's to development.
But things are probably more complicated then simply adding some SW code..... :(
I'll let you know here when/if there is any news.

Lake292
01-13-2011, 09:19 AM
This sounds interesting... if it would be possible to keep some kind of bootloader and just patch software... i bet it would be much easier and faster for philips to add something into SW when u just review some code which seems to be working :)

foo
01-13-2011, 10:12 AM
..well at least that sounds like we could stop ranting and get coding - given it's not just rose-water poured over the mob.

Give our best to the coding and especially the legal team ;)

I mean if AMD can do it with their graphics drivers, you can probably do so too with the TVs (release specs/code and in that case signing keys (or provide a signing infrastructure)).

petasis
01-13-2011, 03:36 PM
Hmmm, interesting thoughts guys :cool:. I have forwarded your idea's to development.
But things are probably more complicated then simply adding some SW code..... :(
I'll let you know here when/if there is any news.

I have tried to make some progress a few months ago through jointspace:
Getting the code to see the TV and draw something on it (like an EPG table) was easy.
But what I miss is the space libraries, the described API to control the TV, like the ability to change channels and most importantly get EPG data from DVB-T. But I don't know where to find these libs.
I have posted a question here, but no answer yet:

http://sourceforge.net/projects/jointspace/forums/forum/1020525/topic/3960832
(The plan was to develop an EPG application, and donate that to include in the firmware, but I cannot test if I cannot use the API in a simulator like the jointspace provided one).

Also, there is no need to give the ability to users to change the firmware. You can try what DLink does in its NAS devices:

Provide a hook in your software, so when a usb flash is plugged to the TV, if a file with specific name is found, it is executed as an sh script. (DLink calls this file "funplug" :-) )

This way, the TV can execute software from the usb flash disk. I used this on my DLink NAS to run a subversion (svn) server. Very useful...

petasis
01-13-2011, 03:41 PM
But things are probably more complicated then simply adding some SW code..... :(


Why are you saying that? For example, the firmware already contains code for EPG, but is locked for some countries only. How difficult will it be to just add a few more countries, with the proper time offsets?
I have tried using Germany as DVB-T country in Greece. The DVB-T EPG worked, but the time was wrong (so I was seeing programs that aired 3 hours ago). So, it is a simple time fix to get the EPG the 9705 now offers for Germany.

Although the DVB-T EPG offered is not good compared to other makers (looks like an excel table actually), it can be fixed as a second step...

Toengel
01-13-2011, 03:49 PM
I have tried using Germany as DVB-T country in Greece. The DVB-T EPG worked, but the time was wrong (so I was seeing programs that aired 3 hours ago). So, it is a simple time fix to get the EPG the 9705 now offers for Germany.


Hi,

you could change additionally your time setting of your tv to manual and change to your time zone (I did not test, if this is possible). Maybe the EPG than works in the right manner..?

Toengel@Alex

avia
01-13-2011, 06:57 PM
But what I miss is the space libraries, the described API to control the TV, like the ability to change channels and most importantly get EPG data from DVB-T. But I don't know where to find these libs.
I think that you never find it because jointspace is a project (as i can see, maybe i'm wrong) for control the main LCD but not other TV parts. The other parts of TV still remains under control of original firmware and jointspace maybe cannot help here. Only full reprogramming of TV firmware can help, i think.
But you do good job, good luck! Awaiting your new EPG soft! :)

petasis
01-13-2011, 07:23 PM
But I am not asking for something I have imagined, I am asking for libraries mentioned in the jointspace documentation:

https://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/jointspace/index.php?title=Documentation

Why did they put the documentation of the "public API" there, if they don't intent developers to use it?
To my understanding, they have provided only libraries for the framebuffer (DirectFB) API...

Philips
01-14-2011, 01:02 PM
anyway..for all fellows who can't read moronic formats (because they don't want to pirate MS Office just to see a file, because the publisher was too lazy to put it in a standardized format).......

You could just ask if we could publish in another format......
There is also a free excel viewer from MS to download.
Reason to publish in XLS was that users now have the full options of excel, like filtering etc.
Anyway, see new overview, also attached in PDF now.

foo
01-23-2011, 11:28 AM
You could just ask if we could publish in another format......
There is also a free excel viewer from MS to download.
Reason to publish in XLS was that users now have the full options of excel, like filtering etc.
Anyway, see new overview, also attached in PDF now.

yeah i could have asked.. but then again, why not take a standardized format in the first place. "free excel viewers" doesn't work for the majority of people who can't read xls because they're simply not running windose (yes there are people not using win/mac)

..so thanks for the pdf, think about it and thanks for not censoring all the hard tunes i'm singing on topics i'm sensible about.

relramackers
06-18-2011, 07:42 PM
You could just ask if we could publish in another format......
There is also a free excel viewer from MS to download.
Reason to publish in XLS was that users now have the full options of excel, like filtering etc.
Anyway, see new overview, also attached in PDF now.

OK, fair enough. Let's ask then:

When will SRT subtitles and DTS audio (/downmixing) in mkv files be supported for the 7000 series?

I am planning to buy a new (bed room) television that supports streaming all major video and audio formats, fully wireless using WiFi. I do not want to buy a second mediaplayer and receiver - which would ofcourse support all formats - for my bed room.

Will Philips (ever) support this? Or should I buy a different brand?

TheSir
08-20-2011, 04:19 PM
Just buy a different brand if you want good support for media formats.
I have a HTS7520 home cinema and a PFL7605 tv and both are terrible when it comes to playing media files.

I just bought a cheap mediaplayer for like 50 dollars which plays everything perfect as a solution. Kinda sad, it cost me around 1200 dollars for the home cinema and tv and it's out classed by a cheap mediaplayer from taiwan. No wonder they had a big financial loss, i wont buy Philips products in the future anymore.

Velocity
08-26-2011, 10:56 AM
I spoke to a employee at Philips this morning and he said that subtitles (srt, ssa, ass etc.) and MKV with the DTS audio codec will be supported in the next firmware update. This update will be released in week 46 and is available for the 7000 series.

Toengel
08-26-2011, 11:57 AM
Hi,

was he aware that you talked about the 2010 series? Or do you have a 2011 model?

Toengel@Alex

Velocity
08-26-2011, 12:36 PM
Hi,

was he aware that you talked about the 2010 series? Or do you have a 2011 model?

Toengel@Alex
I have a 2011 model, he was knowing that.

Toengel
08-26-2011, 12:41 PM
Hi,

good to know - but the thread title indicates that this thread is about the 2010 series...

Toengel@Alex