Anyone willing to find trailers should do it. Here is a quick link I found
Now, I don't think this is extreme. Sorry, the lines are not even very fast because I can tell you this is even worse !
These lines have always same width, which is even great for DSP.
I have yet to try with other TV panels, but from what I have heard, Philips is far away.
What are you using to compare HDNM and PNM when enabled ?
What is your personal conclusion ? (I recall you wanted to test more but did you post your personal conclusions ?)
Now I am not denying some situations are tripping up the motion system but for me "set to min" I hardly notice any problems - those test patterns you did do show up the weakness, I would like to see how the LG/SONY/Samsung displays the same scenes with their motion systems enabled - is it the same, better, worse - who knows.
I really hope philips do come back with a solution or at least an explaination
i had Samsung D7000 before 8007 for 14 months and didn't notice a single artefact or broken picture in 14 months. i bring home 8007 and i see the broken motion after 10min. in the latest firmware they force the damn PNM ON, i set it OFF, turn the TV OFF, turn the TV back ON and PNM is ON again... why? it's not watchable with PNM ON!
I tested the video's created by Manuj, and yes there are artefacts visible, but that is exactly what they are meant to do: it are professional test videos, to test video systems/equipment over the limit, to see what it is capable of. These are not meant for this kind of evaluations, they are used during development. @mrb1972: I fully agree with you.
I think that these video's show exactly the same behavior on other brands (similar priced models).
@Manuj, could you test them on other brand models too, and show the results in a video here? Would be very interesting....
I think these longstanding problems. I, besides the 6007H I have a 21:9 Cinema Gold, both changed from pixel precise to pixel perfect, and playing the video of bees in both, the problem is exactly the same. With perfect pixel do not disappear completely antennas. Pixel Precise, yes.
Before I had the 6007, as had many philips tried switching brands, and bought a LG LM660S, but video processing and motion management was much worse than Philips, and also suffered from a very exaggerated clouding.
Far worse than the Philips TV picture quality, in my opinion, although his firm is much more polished and is more stable.
I bought the 55PFL8007T at Elgiganten in Sweden a few months ago and I hate it... I have exactly the same f**king bad picture as you all. I have turned the PNM off just to be able to watch tv without throwing something at it.. I can not belive the way Philips is acting in this matter.
Since i bought it there has been 2 or 3 software updates without any improvment.
I heard 6xx7 are even worse than 8007...
@watchdog : what TV do you own ?
When I came home, kids were watching animation movie. Really, Pixar, Dreamworks and all just don't care about extreme or not... Should Philips do a release note not to have small objects moving fast over high contrast ?
My video has just nothing extreme... I just used what failed.
Following your comments I decided to watch nature documentary.
Really, this was bad (when motion for sure).
The best are usually birds (eagles in my case) they just blink. There were artifacts all over the place.
And in any movie, as soon as someone moves his arm, clap hands, ... this gets awful. I know I see when there's motion everything collapse for a blink of a second around moving object.
You're lucky not to see.
Up to now I have not been comparing with other brands. I just bought one TV boasting for pixel precise.
I will take Big Buck bunny on usb stick, as well as Bee clip. And as I get to friends I will test.
In Big buck bunny you can watch this butterfly.... when Bick is running, there is always a huge hallow around him.
Anyway, we're all still waiting for Philips feedback.
They should finally tell if I'm the bad guy or not. If I turn up to be the bad guy, then ok, the TV is not for me.
Following a few forums, isn't it the main issue people have been talking about for several months ?
How many have returned their TV ?
Again thanks for newcomers taking time to post that they also felt cheated. There have been quite a few on this forum, and not only 3-5 people as some suggest.
I'm writing from Turkey to you. I bought 47PFL6877/K from one of the biggest tech retail company which is called Teknosa on 27/10/2012 (unfortunately without checking through web)
After I received the TV on 31/10/2012, I can only find time to watch a full movie on Saturday and realized the same issues which you have realized. I checked the web site of Philips and I found this forum/topic.
without losing time, i just went directly to Teknosa and told them that i want to return this TV since it has many problems and all those problems are very important for my view..
Anyway, they told me Philips should write a report regarding return TV and they should also approve that TV is not performing which it has to but as you can imagine they just told Teknosa , there is no problem for the TV. So i cannot return it for now, but i'm thinking of going to court..
When I read all the posts in this forum - i have the same conclusion which Gstan has, Philps should have known this problems from the launch of it and they are selling them without caring of people reactions and their valuable times/ money etc..
Also I told the same thing to Teknosa that Philips are deceiving them - meaning that they are telling Teknosa there is no problem in their product and only customers are complaining about it..
It's nonsense at all - since we've paid lots of money for a Philips product to watch a good TV but we found something in our living rooms like crap..
My 10 years old TV with 51 cm has better view than this product..
I hope Philips will stop selling this product and replace the ones which we have already in our homes or else solve our problems within an acceptable time frame.
As Gstan is telling we paid the money of TV to Philips but not get what they offered to us.
That's right, Philips TV has very very bad picture with HDNM. It is also so bad without it (off position).
Philips wake up!!!, I spent a lot of money (1537 USD !!!) for your 42pfl6007 TV in order to get the BEST picture TV I can get, and NOTHING!!!
I though Philips is great company with responsibility, products with high level, and I find it very very WRONG…
What happened to you Philips?? Which product are you manufacturing ??
If your product is not reaching to perfect performance, so why I spent a LOT of money for this TV?? I could buy another brand with less money and get much better picture quality!!
Philips, or should I say "TP Vision", are you trying to make money on the back of your customers? Producing so low quality product and selling it with high prices ??
Maybe this TV division is not Philips anymore, but just "TPV Technology" (with 70% of Philips stocks). This company has the rights to sell TVs under "Philips" name, and maybe it is their strategy, and we can't do anything about it.
"TPV Technology" is only mentioning in the user manual, the TV package and the TV itself has ONLY "Philips" on it, so you Philips has full responsibility on that issue!!! Don’t try to escape from this!!!
Prove we are wrong!! where is your responsibility??, I bought "Philips" product!!
WE WANT YOU RESPONSE!!!!
This issue of HDNM on pfl6007 models was discussed here and in many other threads. It is not my first post here, and I think Philips has all the information they need and so much MORE.
All descriptions, all movies that were given here as examples (like bee movie), movies prepared by Manuj, ALL is here in this thread. (btw: Manuj, I did not turn my TV into PNM. If it's a good solution, Philips should do that!!)
I'm tired to repeat again and again on the same explanation.
Now, it's Philips turn!
Philips, response now! We are tired from this ignoring!! no more excuses! Find solution to all of us right now!! You had all time required, now it's your turn to speak!