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    Question Philips auto 3d mode. How I can enable that?

    I buy Philips 40PFL5507 led tv and external hard disc.
    I have some 3D sbs video files in mkv that he plays automatic, but some 3D sbs mkv files I must add manually side by side. I don't find difference between those files.
    How to enable all mkv 3d sbs files to play automatic?

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    Hi,

    try to analyze the the videos with the freeware tool "mediainfo" - maybe you will find a difference...

    Toengel@Alex

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    THIS ONE PLAY AUTOMATIC
    Format : Matroska
    Format version : Version 3 / Version 2
    File size : 8.27 GiB
    Duration : 2h 16mn
    Overall bit rate : 8 681 Kbps
    Encoded date : UTC 2012-10-26 14:30:23
    Writing application : mkvmerge v5.5.0 ('Healer') built on Apr 6 2012 21:43:24
    Writing library : libebml v1.2.3 + libmatroska v1.3.0

    Video
    ID : 1
    Format : AVC
    Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec
    Format profile : High@L4.1
    MultiView_Count : 2
    MultiView_Layout : Side by Side (left eye first)
    Format settings, CABAC : Yes
    Format settings, ReFrames : 4 frames
    Codec ID : V_MPEG4/ISO/AVC
    Duration : 2h 16mn
    Bit rate : 6 999 Kbps
    Width : 1 920 pixels
    Height : 1 080 pixels
    Display aspect ratio : 16:9
    Frame rate : 23.976 fps
    Color space : YUV
    Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
    Bit depth : 8 bits
    Scan type : Progressive
    Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.141
    Stream size : 6.66 GiB (81%)
    Writing library : x264 core 128 r2216 198a7ea
    Encoding settings : cabac=1 / ref=4 / deblock=1:-3:-3 / analyse=0x3:0x133 / me=umh / subme=9 / psy=1 / psy_rd=1.10:0.00 / mixed_ref=1 / me_range=48 / chroma_me=1 / trellis=2 / 8x8dct=1 / cqm=0 / deadzone=21,11 / fast_pskip=0 / chroma_qp_offset=-2 / threads=6 / lookahead_threads=1 / sliced_threads=0 / nr=0 / decimate=0 / interlaced=0 / bluray_compat=0 / constrained_intra=0 / bframes=9 / b_pyramid=2 / b_adapt=2 / b_bias=0 / direct=3 / weightb=1 / open_gop=0 / weightp=2 / keyint=250 / keyint_min=23 / scenecut=40 / intra_refresh=0 / rc=crf / mbtree=0 / crf=16.5 / qcomp=0.80 / qpmin=0 / qpmax=69 / qpstep=4 / frame-packing=3 / ip_ratio=1.40 / pb_ratio=1.10 / aq=2:0.85
    Language : English
    Default : Yes
    Forced : No

    Audio
    ID : 2
    Format : DTS
    Format/Info : Digital Theater Systems
    Muxing mode : Header stripping
    Codec ID : A_DTS
    Duration : 2h 16mn
    Bit rate mode : Constant
    Bit rate : 1 510 Kbps
    Channel(s) : 6 channels
    Channel positions : Front: L C R, Side: L R, LFE
    Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
    Bit depth : 24 bits
    Compression mode : Lossy
    Stream size : 1.44 GiB (17%)
    Title : English DTS 5.1
    Language : English
    Default : Yes
    Forced : No

    Text
    ID : 3
    Format : VobSub
    Codec ID : S_VOBSUB
    Codec ID/Info : The same subtitle format used on DVDs
    Title : English
    Language : English
    Default : No
    Forced : No


    THIS ONE I MUST ENTERED MANUALLY "SIDE BY SIDE" OPTION
    Format : Matroska
    Format version : Version 3 / Version 2
    File size : 6.84 GiB
    Duration : 1h 33mn
    Overall bit rate : 10.5 Mbps
    Encoded date : UTC 2012-10-04 17:50:10
    Writing application : mkvmerge v5.8.0 ('No Sleep / Pillow') built on Sep 2 2012 15:37:04
    Writing library : libebml v1.2.3 + libmatroska v1.3.0

    Video
    ID : 1
    Format : AVC
    Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec
    Format profile : High@L4.1
    MultiView_Count : 2
    MultiView_Layout : Side by Side (left eye first)
    Format settings, CABAC : Yes
    Format settings, ReFrames : 4 frames
    Codec ID : V_MPEG4/ISO/AVC
    Duration : 1h 33mn
    Bit rate : 9 636 Kbps
    Width : 1 920 pixels
    Height : 1 080 pixels
    Display aspect ratio : 16:9
    Frame rate : 23.976 fps
    Color space : YUV
    Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
    Bit depth : 8 bits
    Scan type : Progressive
    Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.194
    Stream size : 6.29 GiB (92%)
    Title : 1080p.Bluray.H-SBS.X264.ENG.AC3
    Writing library : x264 core 128 r2216 198a7ea
    Encoding settings : cabac=1 / ref=4 / deblock=1:-3:-3 / analyse=0x3:0x113 / me=umh / subme=10 / psy=1 / psy_rd=1.00:0.15 / mixed_ref=1 / me_range=32 / chroma_me=1 / trellis=2 / 8x8dct=1 / cqm=0 / deadzone=21,11 / fast_pskip=1 / chroma_qp_offset=-3 / threads=18 / lookahead_threads=3 / sliced_threads=0 / nr=0 / decimate=1 / interlaced=0 / bluray_compat=0 / constrained_intra=0 / bframes=6 / b_pyramid=2 / b_adapt=1 / b_bias=0 / direct=3 / weightb=1 / open_gop=0 / weightp=2 / keyint=250 / keyint_min=23 / scenecut=40 / intra_refresh=0 / rc_lookahead=40 / rc=crf / mbtree=1 / crf=18.0 / qcomp=0.60 / qpmin=10 / qpmax=69 / qpstep=4 / vbv_maxrate=40000 / vbv_bufsize=30000 / crf_max=0.0 / nal_hrd=none / ip_ratio=1.40 / aq=1:1.00
    Default : Yes
    Forced : No

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    ID : 2
    Format : AC-3
    Format/Info : Audio Coding 3
    Mode extension : CM (complete main)
    Codec ID : A_AC3
    Duration : 1h 33mn
    Bit rate mode : Constant
    Bit rate : 640 Kbps
    Channel(s) : 6 channels
    Channel positions : Front: L C R, Side: L R, LFE
    Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
    Bit depth : 16 bits
    Compression mode : Lossy
    Stream size : 428 MiB (6%)
    Language : English
    Default : Yes
    Forced : No

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    I'm also very interested in understanding that.

    Could you try to rename first file ?
    Say you name it "file1.mkv", and check if autodetection is still ok ?

    I have searched on the web, and for another brand the filename makes the difference. It depends if it contains "half-sbs".

    Have you tried with an external player as well by the way ? With what result ?
    I never had autodetection using xbmc (Eden) on the few files I have (to my recall).

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    I extract small clip from MKV with mkvmerge for you to download.
    Also, I play again this little video clip that I uploaded of a few seconds on my TV to make sure it works and also the TV automatically switches to 3D.
    And when I convert dts with Popcorn MKV AudioConverter to Ac3 (I don't touch video file) TV still automatically switches to 3D.

    This is the file:
    http://uptobox.com/hh4yccfhdkow

    I didn't try to another player like bluray player or PS3, only on Philips 40PFL5507 media player because I use external hard disc.

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    Thanks. I must say I didn't invest time into this earlier.
    But I got it well.
    I think we can share with everyone that you tried with this tool
    http://www.videohelp.com/tools/PopCo...AudioConverter

    For those interested, I can add that
    http://www.videohelp.com/tools/MKVExtractGUI-2
    as well as
    http://www.videohelp.com/tools/mkvtoolnix
    is worth having a look at for dealing with Mkvs smoothly.

    About 3D auto-detection while using external player, I tend to think that it is rarely doable.
    As far as I got it, on HDMI, it is via EDID information that external module should declare that the video is in 3D format. So players like XBMC, VLC (or else), don't usually have the capacity to have alter Edid information (that are dealt by the video card).
    Maybe on a ps3, the player can also alter Edid. But not on a HTPC (PC player running a player) because there is no API for editing Edid (to my knowledge).
    Maybe someone is able to confirm what I have just written here.

    Maybe the brand new XBMC released version will embed a way to trigger 3D. I promise to edit this post !

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    Quote Originally Posted by slobadaca View Post
    I buy Philips 40PFL5507 led tv and external hard disc.
    I have some 3D sbs video files in mkv that he plays automatic, but some 3D sbs mkv files I must add manually side by side. I don't find difference between those files.
    How to enable all mkv 3d sbs files to play automatic?
    Hi, if you're still interested, the 3d flag is in the encode of the video file. This setting is needed for 3d auto detection: 'frame-packing 3' for SBS and 'frame-packing 4' for top/bottom.

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    The problem with auto 3d mode is that it doesn't use the correct mode when using side by side reverse mode, when you swith appropriate header. (MultiView_Layout) It always shows the regular side by side. My software is 150.87 and television is 42PFL6687. Maybe other people suffer from this problem too.

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