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    DLNA seems to be an awkward "standard", it is as finished as HDMI.
    I would already be very happy to just connect to a network share and play the files the same way as from a USB flash drive connected directly to the TV.
    No bloatware, just play from a network share.
    \\machine\share

    No need for playlists, just play the damn files...

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    Sorry, I do not understand. I do not know what your problem.

    Philips, through DLNA, played reasonably well in 80% of cases. And, 100%, if we have Windows media server, LAN / WAN optimal and compatible codec.

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    Who, me?
    I have no problems at all with my wired shielded cat6 network setup, it works without a glitch, thank you.
    Everything works fine, except FastForward/Rewind on ALL files (audio and video).
    I use TVersity for video, foobar2000 for audio files - because foobar plays flac files up to 24bit/192Khz sample rate.
    foobar2000 is transcoding to WAV all the audio codecs that the TV can't handle (flac, ape, ogg vorbis).
    I don't miss that much the navigation on audio files (they are usually individual files per track) but on video files (which are large single files) it's ridiculous.
    The navigation problems would not be such an issue if you could access a network folder instead of having to install extra software on the PC and make it work with the TV.
    I mean, it would work as well as through the USB port on your TV - put a USB flash drive or HDD there and you'll see that FastForward/Rewind works fine, with audio and video files.
    I don't need playlists, I know how to organize files and folders - I would just like to be able to get to the shared folders on my PC and play what's there, nothing else.
    This is the most basic form of networking... for a networked device. (!)
    Last edited by carlosfm; 03-28-2011 at 01:39 PM.

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    If you use the Windows media server, and have a LAN / WAN optimal, and the codec is supported, the Philips player, via DLNA, works reasonably well.

    If you use a media server like Tversity, Twonky, etc., and not working properly, but does work properly with the Windows media server, the problem is the media server manufacturer (Tversity, Twonky, etc.), Philips is no problem.
    If the LAN / WAN is not optimal, can influence a bad play, in this case, the problem is in our LAN / WAN, no problem by Philips.
    If the codec of the media file, which is reproduced, it is not properly supported by the Philips player, cause this known problem of FastForward / FastBackward, and only hope that Philips will expand and improve codec support, or seek an alternative path the Philips player.

    I think this could sum up the state of affairs, to serve as a benchmark before making decisions.

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    My network setup is fine, I stream HD videos from NetTV without a glitch.
    I watch to 1080p videos through the networks without problems (but no FF/Rewind).

    I've tried Windows Media Server (11) on my Windows XP desktop machice, some months ago.
    It works, but it's a joke, can't take it seriously.

    Yesterday at night I've installed the trial version of Mezzmo - very simple and effective.
    FF/Rewind works!!!
    So, I can only conclude that Mezzmo fully complies to DLNA, while most others (TVersity, etc) don't.
    Actually, most media server softwares are UPnP and not DLNA compliant.
    What doesn't work on Philips TVs in case of using an UPnP media server is exactly FF/Rewind.
    Maybe this is useful info for someone out there, because the internet is full of people complaining about this, and it's not only Philips TVs but other brands too.

    I think I'll just buy Mezzmo, the trial lasts for 15 days...

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    NetTV comparison is worth, not worth anything as evidence in this matter. The LAN / WAN optimal in this case, means PC <-> Router <-> TV with all its possible configurations, qualities, components, software, hardware, etc.

    Windows XP is an obsolete system, especially in high-definition multimedia. If you try W7 or Vista you check in this case. You think that if we work reasonably well the Windows media server, and you do not, something is not a coincidence. In any case, of course, influence the media server, as already said Toengel. Not only is the problem of the known limitations of the Philips player.

    And indeed, the Internet is full of complaints, but not to confuse people, we must be more careful when making categorical statements, because sometimes things are not as they seem. An opinion, an experience, if it is not contrasted with technical opinions expertas, worth very little.
    Last edited by Jomsp; 03-30-2011 at 07:31 AM.

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    Jomsp, I know XP is obsolete but I have an old desktop PC sharing the files and for the purpose, it works well.
    PC -> Router <- TV that's what I have, at 100Mb Full Duplex, all with dual shielded (foil + braid) Cat6 cable.
    You can't have much better than this...
    I also have a laptop with Windows 7 64 bit Ultimate but I don't use it for this purpose.
    This has no direct relation with the OS, I don't transcode video files at all (transcoding is disabled) so I don't need an ultimate 64 bit OS and quadcore CPU.
    I don't want the software to mess with the video files, I just want it to share them, like inserting an USB drive directly to the USB port on the TV.
    I use Popcorn to convert DTS tracks on MKVs to Dolby Digital, at 640K stereo.
    So, no transcoding needed for the media server software, as for video files I only play what the TV can play.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jomsp View Post
    And indeed, the Internet is full of complaints, but not to confuse people, we must be more careful when making categorical statements, because sometimes things are not as they seem. An opinion, an experience, if it is not contrasted with technical opinions expertas, worth very little.
    I'm trying to make some sense out of this...
    The only "categorical statement" (and suggestion) I've done is that Philips TVs are not fully UPnP compliant.
    DLNA yes, UPnP works, with limitations (no FF/REW).
    I've suggested to Philips that in next firmwares they make it UPnP compliant. It is what's missing for the TVs to work well with every media server out there.
    As a customer that has payed 950€ for a Philips TV, I feel I have the right to suggest.
    I don't expect them to do it, I just hope.

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    Quote Originally Posted by carlosfm View Post
    It is what's missing for the TVs to work well with every media server out there.
    Philips is not responsible for ALL media servers work properly.

    ALL is the responsibility of ALL manufacturers. Philips is responsible for its own player works and media servers developed properly for the DLNA protocol under Windows. For example, is responsible for the Windows Media server to function properly.

    In my opinion, this thread only has value if it serves to help users of Philips TV and report faults.

    Request impossible not help, but quite the opposite.

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    With Mezzmo my Philips can FastForward or FastBackward any video file!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jomsp View Post
    Philips is not responsible for ALL media servers work properly.

    ALL is the responsibility of ALL manufacturers. Philips is responsible for its own player works and media servers developed properly for the DLNA protocol under Windows. For example, is responsible for the Windows Media server to function properly.
    DLNA 1.0 or 1.5 or...???
    When they settle on a REAL, definitive DLNA standard, probably everything will always work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jomsp View Post
    In my opinion, this thread only has value if it serves to help users of Philips TV and report faults.
    When I've reported that Mezzmo works, I was trying to help.
    Next time, I won't post.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jomsp View Post
    Request impossible not help, but quite the opposite.
    Again, I'm trying to make some sense out of this.
    Are you from Philips?? Is that a NO?
    Impossible???!
    We went to the moon back in 1969, do you mean that in 2011 a TV can't be UPnP compliant?
    Can't access a network share? Much more basic than DLNA.
    Are you joking?

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    Hi,

    for more information on DLNA see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital...twork_Alliance

    Toengel@Alex

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    Quote Originally Posted by carlosfm View Post
    DLNA 1.0 or 1.5 or...???
    When they settle on a REAL, definitive DLNA standard, probably everything will always work.
    You can read specifications:
    http://download.p4c.philips.com/file...12_pss_eng.pdf
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Media_Player_12

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    Quote Originally Posted by carlosfm View Post
    When I've reported that Mezzmo works, I was trying to help.
    Next time, I won't post.

    Again, I'm trying to make some sense out of this.
    Are you from Philips?? Is that a NO?
    Impossible???!
    We went to the moon back in 1969, do you mean that in 2011 a TV can't be UPnP compliant?
    Can't access a network share? Much more basic than DLNA.
    Are you joking?
    Toengel, and myself, we help you to understand that the media server plays a role.

    If you read better, you would know that I am not Philips, and I would like someone to inform me of another brand that works better via DLNA than Philips TV. However, this is a Philips TV forum to help and inform users of possible failures, and we should be grateful to those who help us.
    No?

    ¿DLNA?, like said Toengel: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital...twork_Alliance
    but I prefer reading, for example, another version:
    http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital...twork_Alliance
    "Small" differences.
    There is much information in Internet, but beware, not all is reliable.
    Last edited by Jomsp; 04-01-2011 at 11:46 AM.

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