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    Why is not DTS suported as audio format in my 47PFL6877T? Is it possible to update?

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    Quote Originally Posted by crilleohb View Post
    Why is not DTS suported as audio format in my 47PFL6877T? Is it possible to update?

    This is spec. Can/will not be changed. Sorry.
    Has been discussed extensively here in the forum.

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    @Philips : Correct me if i'm wrong but it seems that 2013 TV models (PFL8008 at least) will be compliant with DTS.

    I can observe that PFL8008 seems to be very close to PFL8007 regarding hardware spécifications; So there should not have big problem to implement DTS codec, should it ?

    We all hope that our 2012 TV models will rapidly include DTS: as you said this need has been discussed many times in the forum.
    Last edited by LR92F; 05-30-2013 at 08:54 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crilleohb View Post
    Why is not DTS suported as audio format in my 47PFL6877T? Is it possible to update?
    Probably because they decided to cut corners. And I have a gut feeling they think they would sell more bluray players because of it.

    You can convert DTS audio to AC3 using a free program called "eac3to and more GUI" and you'll need program called "eac3to" also. There are probably more programs capable of this. I only mentioned the one I use.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LR92F View Post
    @Philips : Correct me if i'm wrong but it seems that 2013 TV models (PFL8008 at least) will be compliant with DTS.

    I can observe that PFL8008 seems to be very close to PFL8007 regarding hardware spécifications; So there should not have big problem to implement DTS codec, should it ?

    We all hope that our 2012 TV models will rapidly include DTS: as you said this need has been discussed many times in the forum.
    I'm not very interested in DTS support in specific myself since I use an external media player. In fact, I really advise to everyone that keeps on struggling with unsupported subtitle-, video- and audio container formats to do the same. With current progress in new FW releases it will take Philips YEARS MORE to bring about convenient media playback through built-in players as available on external players. At this point I can only laugh about Philips internal player knowing how well and user friendly my external players works and I don't even want to imagine what it would be like to have to use the internal player all the time! External players are reasonably priced and most of them play any kind of file flawless so no more need to convert files etc. It will save you a lot of frustration over spoiled movie watching pleasure because half of the times the TV's seems to fail doing the job right. The grief having paid for something you didn't/won't get will wear off sooner or later and at least you won't be remembered about it a couple of times per week.

    However, what I really DO hope in general is, taken in consideration that there is only so little difference in hardware capabilities between 2012 and 2013 models, Philips will keep on updating 2012-model FW with bug fixes that are found for 2013-models and that of course also goes for additional functionality. With all terror owners of 2012-models had to go through before getting somewhat acceptable software for their TV's they don't deserve any less! Do what is right Philips and do not forsake those poor souls at your soonest convenience... If I'd bump into a more or less similar 2013 machine doing al kinds of stuff which my 2012 cannot do (right) only because it's firmware is not updated I will be so utterly frustrated that I might just simply smash it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DadGommit View Post
    I'm not very interested in DTS support in specific myself since I use an external media player. In fact, I really advise to everyone that keeps on struggling with unsupported subtitle-, video- and audio container formats to do the same. With current progress in new FW releases it will take Philips YEARS MORE to bring about convenient media playback through built-in players as available on external players. At this point I can only laugh about Philips internal player knowing how well and user friendly my external players works and I don't even want to imagine what it would be like to have to use the internal player all the time! External players are reasonably priced and most of them play any kind of file flawless so no more need to convert files etc. It will save you a lot of frustration over spoiled movie watching pleasure because half of the times the TV's seems to fail doing the job right. The grief having paid for something you didn't/won't get will wear off sooner or later and at least you won't be remembered about it a couple of times per week.
    Ok but even if an external player can read/decode video (DTS) files you have, it does not answer the problem of the TV set that is not capable to manage the DTS audio flow the player is sending. Am i wrong?

    overview of the statement:

    [BR/DVD/external player] <---hdmi-----> [TV set] <----optical-----> [5.1 amp]

    The problem is :
    1) TV set does not seem to be passthrough and actually does not transmit the DTS audio flow that comes from the hdmi interface to optical interface and then to 5.1 amp to play it on external speakers
    2) TV set is not capable to decode itself DTS audio flow to play it on internal speakers

    Quote Originally Posted by DadGommit View Post
    However, what I really DO hope in general is, taken in consideration that there is only so little difference in hardware capabilities between 2012 and 2013 models, Philips will keep on updating 2012-model FW with bug fixes that are found for 2013-models and that of course also goes for additional functionality. With all terror owners of 2012-models had to go through before getting somewhat acceptable software for their TV's they don't deserve any less! Do what is right Philips and do not forsake those poor souls at your soonest convenience... If I'd bump into a more or less similar 2013 machine doing al kinds of stuff which my 2012 cannot do (right) only because it's firmware is not updated I will be so utterly frustrated that I might just simply smash it.
    I (we, Philips customers) fully agree !
    Last edited by LR92F; 05-30-2013 at 03:01 PM.

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    Hi.

    We do currently not support DTS on any of our models.

    Best regards,
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    Hi Benedickte,

    Thank you for your quick reply.

    Curiously several websites announce DTS support !
    http://televiseur-led.blogspot.fr/20...voir-2013.html
    http://www.hdfever.fr/2013/02/22/philips-pfl8008/
    etc (same thing on Italian websites)
    Last edited by LR92F; 05-30-2013 at 03:49 PM.

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    Hi,

    it seems, they know more than Philips :-D

    Toengel@Alex

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    Cool

    Quote Originally Posted by Toengel View Post
    Hi,

    it seems, they know more than Philips :-D

    Toengel@Alex



    They're supposed to forward informations Philips provide them

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toengel View Post
    Hi,

    it seems, they know more than Philips :-D

    Toengel@Alex
    I also found an interesting picture which is supposed to come from 58PFL9955.wordpress.com showing product label of a 47PFL6xx8K/12 TV set with this indication :
    "Manufactured Under licence, DTS, the Symbol, &DTS and the Symbol together are registered trademarks & DTS ..."

    Unfortunately i cannot upload it on this forum (upload not allowed ?).

    Interesting isn't it ?
    Last edited by LR92F; 05-31-2013 at 08:19 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LR92F View Post
    Ok but even if an external player can read/decode video (DTS) files you have, it does not answer the problem of the TV set that is not capable to manage the DTS audio flow the player is sending. Am i wrong?

    overview of the statement:

    [BR/DVD/external player] <---hdmi-----> [TV set] <----optical-----> [5.1 amp]

    The problem is :
    1) TV set does not seem to be passthrough and actually does not transmit the DTS audio flow that comes from the hdmi interface to optical interface and then to 5.1 amp to play it on external speakers
    2) TV set is not capable to decode itself DTS audio flow to play it on internal speakers



    I (we, Philips customers) fully agree !
    Aha, I see your problem; you have a 5.1 amplifier for audio only and not an audio/video-receiver? In my case I have the external player connected to an AV receiver (through HDMI). The receiver on it's turn outputs only the video signal to the TV. But unforturnately not a solution for you then. I don't know if there are external players that can output video and audio to seperate channels (video (HDMI) to TV, and audio (5.1-cable) to amp.
    I must say that generally I would not expect a device to be able to pass through a signal (DTS) which it does not understand...

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    Quote Originally Posted by LR92F View Post
    I also found an interesting picture which is supposed to come from 58PFL9955.wordpress.com showing product label of a 47PFL6xx8K/12 TV set with this indication :
    "Manufactured Under licence, DTS, the Symbol, &DTS and the Symbol together are registered trademarks & DTS ..."

    Unfortunately i cannot upload it on this forum (upload not allowed ?).

    Interesting isn't it ?
    Hi,

    it seems, toengel knows more than Philips :-D lol

    regeards westpaket

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    Quote Originally Posted by DadGommit View Post
    Aha, I see your problem; you have a 5.1 amplifier for audio only and not an audio/video-receiver? In my case I have the external player connected to an AV receiver (through HDMI). The receiver on it's turn outputs only the video signal to the TV. But unforturnately not a solution for you then. I don't know if there are external players that can output video and audio to seperate channels (video (HDMI) to TV, and audio (5.1-cable) to amp.
    I must say that generally I would not expect a device to be able to pass through a signal (DTS) which it does not understand...
    Yes, you have understood well the issue.

    BUT according to me "Passthrough" means no need to understand the bitstream, it means take the bitstream (DTS, Dolby Digital, or whatever...) from HDMI or from the TV channel and forward it to the optical interface...

    It mustn't be complicated.
    Last edited by LR92F; 05-31-2013 at 09:48 AM.

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    It would be great if Philips added the DTS support. I dont like converting al my files to AAC/AC3 DD, it degrades the quality, and takes time...

    Will DTS ever be supported on my new 46pfl8008??

    Mark

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