[Question] Why is the IP-EPG necessary for USB-Recording in 2011 series?

[Toengel]

Dear Philips,

why do I need IP-EPG (and consequently internet connection) to record a broadcast with the 2011 TV series?

Why does it NOT work with the DVB-EPG? And why it is not possible to record a broadcast by programming the start and end time of a specific digital channel?

IP-EPG and DVB-EPG is tuner/country dependent in the "Philips world" - and consequently many users are NOT able to record a broadcast. Also the IP-EPG is extemly server performance dependent.

Not everybody has an internet connection.

Toengel@Alex

PS: @all - TimeShift does work without Internet connection

[Freddo]

And why it is not possible to record a broadcast by programming the start and end time of a specific digital channel?

I think it's pretty dumb to not support this, I hope we will see it in a future firmware.

[Toengel]

Hi,

uses who have the 6xx6 series will also have a HUGE problem. The 6xx6 series has only ONE USB PORT. So plug in your HDD, but where to plug in you WLAN stick (PTA01)??? You can only use the wired LAN, USB hub or some kind of LAN adapter (powerline, lan 2 wlan).

USABILITY = 0. Very sad

Toengel@Alex

[vyger]

Hi,

uses who have the 6xx6 series will also have a HUGE problem. The 6xx6 series has only ONE USB PORT. So plug in your HDD, but where to plug in you WLAN stick (PTA01)??? You can only use the wired LAN, USB hub or some kind of LAN adapter (powerline, lan 2 wlan).

USABILITY = 0. Very sad

Toengel@Alex

I have the same problems as Toengel, because I have a 32pfl6606D/77. User manual says that it's posible to connect multiple USB devices to USB tv's port using a hub, but I tried to connect PTA01 and 8gB USB stick using an selfpowered hub, and screen turn black.
I don't want to use a wired LAN. Any idea?

[smart]

I don't want to use a wired LAN. Any idea?

I would recommend using a WLAN-Bridge and connect it to the ethernet port. On my TV, there is also one USB-Port and I would like to have it free in case I want to plugin a USB stick and show the contents.

I bought: Netgear WNCE2001-100PES
http://www.amazon.de/Netgear-WNCE200...8925881&sr=1-2

It costs about €36.90, which is a little less than the original Philips USB-WLAN-Adapter. So you might save € 2 or similar and it can be used with every device having a ethernet port ...
I have no problems with it and it works really fine on 42PFL7695K/02.

But this is offtopic ... Maybe it is better to open a new thread, if more discussion is necessary

[vyger]

I have the same problems as Toengel, because I have a 32pfl6606D/77. User manual says that it's posible to connect multiple USB devices to USB tv's port using a hub, but I tried to connect PTA01 and 8gB USB stick using an selfpowered hub, and screen turn black.
I don't want to use a wired LAN. Any idea?

I must to apologize because I tried again to connect PTA01 and 8GB stick at the same time, using an USB hub and it worked. I will try with PTA01 and keyboard next.

[Tobi]

Hello Philips,

why is there no reply to this question?

[Philips]

Dear Philips,

why do I need IP-EPG (and consequently internet connection) to record a broadcast with the 2011 TV series?

Why does it NOT work with the DVB-EPG? And why it is not possible to record a broadcast by programming the start and end time of a specific digital channel?

IP-EPG and DVB-EPG is tuner/country dependent in the "Philips world" - and consequently many users are NOT able to record a broadcast. Also the IP-EPG is extemly server performance dependent.

Not everybody has an internet connection.

Toengel@Alex

PS: @all - TimeShift does work without Internet connection

Hi Alex,

As IP-EPG is fully controlled by us (Philips), we have the possibility to simply mark programs for recording. DVB-EPG is provided by broadcasters, and there are differences per broadcaster, so it is difficult to align. Indeed, a functional IP-EPG is required to use the full recording functionality.

Regards,
MaTu

[Erikrijnders]

Hi Alex,

As IP-EPG is fully controlled by us (Philips), we have the possibility to simply mark programs for recording. DVB-EPG is provided by broadcasters, and there are differences per broadcaster, so it is difficult to align. Indeed, a functional IP-EPG is required to use the full recording functionality.

Regards,
MaTu

A reply!!! Why doesnot Philips reply to the question why IP-EPG isnot supported in the Netherlands for the 2010-models with CI+ an Ziggo ?? I only heart non-issues like the certification... When is this solved?

[Tobi]

and once again: the philips ip-epg is really crap and sucks. i have never seen such a slow solution (net-tv/ip-epg). you can’t expect that to your customers.

get your ass up! and switch to dvb-epg for usb-recording to save philips from a loss.

[miro9000]

Hi Alex,

As IP-EPG is fully controlled by us (Philips), we have the possibility to simply mark programs for recording. DVB-EPG is provided by broadcasters, and there are differences per broadcaster, so it is difficult to align. Indeed, a functional IP-EPG is required to use the full recording functionality.

Regards,
MaTu

So you (Philips) have the controll of the IP EPG absolutely. That´s a great new for me. Now I know who is the responsible of the lack of several channels in Spain.
Your IP EPG is very good, but I can´t use it because of the lack of information, Please Philips, update the channels list for Spain now that you have the controll.

[Mattias]

Hi Alex,

As IP-EPG is fully controlled by us (Philips), we have the possibility to simply mark programs for recording. DVB-EPG is provided by broadcasters, and there are differences per broadcaster, so it is difficult to align. Indeed, a functional IP-EPG is required to use the full recording functionality.

Regards,
MaTu

Thank you for the answer (and thanks Toengel for raising the question), but i can´t see how there should be a problem for a company like Philips to implement DVB-EPG and make it work. I have a digital box at home that uses DVB-EPG, and i have had no problem at all using it for scheduled recordings! Afaik, it´s working really good in many countries... When you read through the Philips forums you also find that not even IP-EPG is all that reliable - or even supported - in some of these countries!

I agree 100% with Toengel and other contributors to this post, that usability is zero for many Philips customers.

The answer also ignores the fact pointed out, that EPG is not needed for recordings set by timer. Timer controlled recording was even implemented on old VHS-recorders...

I helped my parents install their TV set (6066H) this weekend, and they were really looking forward to this function in their newly bought "smart TV". I was really disappointed that i could not make it work without them having to cash out for a WLAN/router and an USB hub after already buying a HDD. I was also disappointed by how complicated this simple function was to get working on a pretty much brand new Philips TV!

So, i had expected a better answer than the above to the question why Philips can´t make such a simple function work in an easy, simple way...

[Toengel]

Hi,

thanks for your reply. But why I'm not able to schedule a program completely independent from the IP-EPG: Channel + start time + end time?

Toengel@Alex

[Tobi]

Sorry, but this is epic fail!
Every one else (Samsung/Panasonic/Grundig/Loewe) does USB-Recording via DVB-EPG, and they have no problems. It works really fine.

Just Philips does IP-EPG (which really sucks) to fool the customers once again.

[J.R]

This is sad news... I have 46PFL8505H and only one USB... In other thread there was mentioned that all 2011 television from 6000 series will support timeshift. So there is no way that i can use my tv for timeshift ?