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    Android app 2Player causes NP3900 to freeze

    I tested many different DLNA apps on my Android smartphone. Most of them are completely unusable either because they don't detect either my NAS or the NP3900 or because they can't play my audio formats or because they run far too slowly (in some cases, because my library has hundreds of albums) or because they are generally too buggy.

    The only app that seems (seemed) useful was The 2Player Network Player.

    Alas, after using 2Player to start playing tracks from my Synology DS211 NAS the NP3900 sometimes freezes. See video: <http://youtu.be/zVU4BiAFlwk>. In this video the tone you hear is a tone from the song that the NP3900 was playing when it froze. Note the interesting pattern on the display.

    Whether or not 2Player contains bugs, the NP3900 should never, ever behave this way.

    2Player app is dated 15 August 2011.

    Serial number printed on the bottom of the NP3900: PT1A1130002295
    From the settings menu:
    "NP3900/12"
    "Software version: V G5.32S"
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    Hi jdthood,

    I'm sorry to hear that the 2Player app is causing your NP3900 to freeze.

    As this is a 3rd party app we cannot control what effect it may have upon your network player. I have however passed these details to the team investigating the other app related issues you have reported in case there is anything we can do with regards to this issue.

    I would advise not using the app if it is causing an adverse reaction to the player.

    Kind regards,

    Gary

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    Thanks, Gary.

    I am now going to research the available UPnP apps more systematically to see if I can find one that operates reliably with all my UPnP devices.

    I will report the results in this forum.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jdthood View Post
    I am now going to research the available UPnP apps more systematically to see if I can find one that operates reliably with all my UPnP devices.
    Here is an initial report after having tested thirteen DLNA Control Point apps.

    Executive Summary: No app is perfect, but at the moment, of the apps I have tested, UPnPlay works best with the NP3900.

    The following apps were subjected to cursory tests which they failed, either because the app couldn't see the NP3900 or the app crashed or ran far too slowly: aMedia Control, AndroMote, ArkMC Media Center, aVia Media Center, DoubleTwist, Emininet UPnP Player, Netfront Life Connect, Philips SimplyShare.

    The following apps detected the NP3900 and passed cursory tests and so were subjected to further testing: 2Player, Samsung AllShare, BubbleUPnP, Skifta, UPnPlay.

    * Playing music from Samsung Galaxy S to NP3900: 2Player, Skifta, UPnPlay work well
    * Playing music from Synology DS111 NAS to NP3900: Skifta, UPnPlay work well
    * NP3900 playing from Samsung Galaxy S DLNA server: NONE

    UPnPlay works better than Skifta in several respects and so gets the Best So Far label.

    The last point is interesting. The NP3900 could not play music from any of the DLNA server apps! But it can play music from the DLNA server running on the Synology DS111 NAS. Hmm.

    Still to be tested: Awox mediaCTRL, EML UPnP-AV Control Point, Eyecon, iMediaShare, PlugPlayer, TwonkyServer mobile.

    Anyone know of any others?

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    I've used the application 2Player and didn't find a lockup / hangup.
    Possible that a specific song caused the hangup ? (I've had that in my earlier Streamium model, NP2900, which was solved by Philips via a firmware upgrade ...).

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    Twonkymobile works fine with my Twonky server on WIn7.
    I did not get the Sync option working but that's a new feature that's just been released.
    I have to admit though that the NP3900 hangs time to time.

    Skifta also works fine in conjunction with my Twonkyserver, it is also much faster than Twonkymobile on my small smartphone probably because the user interface is simpler.
    Too bad one cannot create dynamic playlist with Skifta.

    When I play tracks from a media server if I switch the NP3900 to the radios, I then get <empty list> message and the only way to listen to radios is to power-off / power-on the NP3900.

    Note: I use a small smartphone: Samsung Galaxy Ace
    Last edited by k1200rs; 11-30-2011 at 07:13 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by k1200rs View Post
    [...]I have to admit though that the NP3900 hangs time to time.
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    When I play tracks from a media server if I switch the NP3900 to the radios, I then get <empty list> message and the only way to listen to radios is to power-off / power-on the NP3900.
    Ah, good: confirmation. So it's not just my specimen that does this.

    Ref: http://www.supportforum.philips.com/...oblems&p=17120
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    Quote Originally Posted by jdthood View Post
    Here is an initial report after having tested thirteen DLNA Control Point apps.

    Executive Summary: No app is perfect, but at the moment, of the apps I have tested, UPnPlay works best with the NP3900.

    The following apps were subjected to cursory tests which they failed, either because the app couldn't see the NP3900 or the app crashed or ran far too slowly: aMedia Control, AndroMote, ArkMC Media Center, aVia Media Center, DoubleTwist, Emininet UPnP Player, Netfront Life Connect, Philips SimplyShare.

    The following apps detected the NP3900 and passed cursory tests and so were subjected to further testing: 2Player, Samsung AllShare, BubbleUPnP, Skifta, UPnPlay.

    * Playing music from Samsung Galaxy S to NP3900: 2Player, Skifta, UPnPlay work well
    * Playing music from Synology DS111 NAS to NP3900: Skifta, UPnPlay work well
    * NP3900 playing from Samsung Galaxy S DLNA server: NONE

    UPnPlay works better than Skifta in several respects and so gets the Best So Far label.

    The last point is interesting. The NP3900 could not play music from any of the DLNA server apps! But it can play music from the DLNA server running on the Synology DS111 NAS. Hmm.

    Still to be tested: Awox mediaCTRL, EML UPnP-AV Control Point, Eyecon, iMediaShare, PlugPlayer, TwonkyServer mobile.

    Anyone know of any others?
    is simplyshare in your list ? or is that by another thread?
    asking because i like the UI of simplyshare. thought it s nicely built... hope it works for most of the function.

    one interesting point discovered: (maybe it's not new, but i just noticed it)
    there are 2 apps from Philips- simplyshare and myremote

    when i use MyRemote on my Sony Errisson Xperia Play, i cannot quite find the way to stream the content in my mobile phone to my Streamium device (NP3700). but if i run SimplyShare in the background, then i m able to find my phone in the "Media Library" list, and then the content can be streamed...

    but for me i like simplyshare better.

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    Hi kwinnie,

    the problem is that nobody knows, how and where to get the activation code for the Simply Share App - and what devices allow to get this code...

    Toengel@Alex

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    i see. seems to me that Streamium devices are those allow to get this code.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kwinnie View Post
    is simplyshare in your list ?
    I reported earlier that SimplyShare can't play anything from my Synology DS111 NAS. So for me this app is not in the running for the "Best DLNA App I've Found So Far" title.

    A Philips representative replied that this is a known issue.
    Last edited by jdthood; 12-01-2011 at 08:32 AM.

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    Hi jdthood,

    Just a quick update to let you know we're still looking into the reported issue with the incomplete track listings.

    Hopefully we'll make your list yet

    Kind regards,

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    Quote Originally Posted by jdthood View Post
    I reported earlier that SimplyShare can't play anything from my Synology DS111 NAS. So for me this app is not in the running for the "Best DLNA App I've Found So Far" title.

    A Philips representative replied that this is a known issue.
    oops... hope they fix it soon

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    I wrote earlier:
    Quote Originally Posted by jdthood View Post
    The following apps detected the NP3900 and passed cursory tests and so were subjected to further testing: 2Player, Samsung AllShare, BubbleUPnP, Skifta, UPnPlay.

    * Playing music from Samsung Galaxy S to NP3900: 2Player, Skifta, UPnPlay work well
    * Playing music from Synology DS111 NAS to NP3900: Skifta, UPnPlay work well
    * NP3900 playing from Samsung Galaxy S DLNA server: NONE
    I've decided that playlist (or "queue") functionality is essential in a smartphone app. If I only want to control the current behavior of the player, I'll use the remote control: easier and more reliable. So I now drop Skifta, AllShare and SimplyShare from further consideration.

    That leaves three playlist-capable apps: 2Player, BubbleUPnP and UPnPlay.

    I subjected these three to some more tests with the devices on my home network: NP3900; Synology DS111 NAS with the latest firmware; 2011-model Samsung UE32D6530 television (which has a DLNA server and can be controlled by a DLNA control point --- it can also play music tracks).

    Each of the three apps has advantages and disadvantages which I list below.

    2Player:
    * Couldn't see the TV at all (but it did yesterday --- strange!) even though the others always see it.
    * Skip Back doesn't work at all on the NP3900.
    * Skip Forward skips forward not one but some random number of tracks: seventeen, for example.
    * Volume control does not work as smoothly with the NP3900 as the volume controls of the other apps do.
    * I couldn't find a way to clear the current playlist ("queue").
    * App has been known to crash the NP3900.
    * Has the prettiest UI.

    BubbleUPnP:
    * Can't play .m4a files on the TV even though UPnPlay can.
    * Is much slower than the others in reading directories on the Synology.
    * Trying to use the time slider with the NP3900 causes misbehavior.
    * Volume controls, including slider, work well.
    * Fairly nice UI.
    * Can also play video on the TV.

    UPnPlay:
    * No volume slider.
    * Ugly and slightly confusing UI.
    * Fastest to load directory lists.
    * Most versatile and reliable.

    I still conclude that UPnPlay is the best.

    UPnPlay and BubbleUPnP have time-in-track sliders but with none of the three apps can one seek to a point within a track that is playing on the NP3900. Attempting to use the slider in UPnPlay has no effect; it politely reports "Device cannot seek". Attempting to use the slider in BubbleUPnP causes the NP3900 to stop playback and show the home screen --- a bug.

    Interesting little fact: Pressing Volume Up or Volume Down in any of the apps initially causes the volume on either the TV or the NP3900 to be zeroed.

    Interesting little fact: Pressing Skip Back on the NP3900 remote control after 0:11 has elapsed causes playback to continue at the beginning of the same track. But the Skip Back control in any of the DLNA apps always skips to the beginning of the previous track in the playlist, never to the beginning of the current track.
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    Last edited by jdthood; 12-04-2011 at 06:24 PM. Reason: Fix typo

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    Have you looked at Twonky mobile? It enables dynamic playlist that you can also save on your phone. It also allows a dynamic synchronization of your phone with your server (copy music from your server to your phone). Finally it also contains a server (a mobile server) which is handy when you travel or are at some other locations which have DLNA players you can stream your music (or other things) to.

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