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    BDP 3200 / 12 Mediaplayer is not detecting 24Hz/24p/ Sources. Plays 60 HZ instead

    The BDP 3200 / 12 Mediaplayer ( European ) is not detecting 24p/24HZ Sources like Xvid,MKV, Mp4 accurate.

    It plays 60 HZ NTSC instead alltime no matter what source it is.

    I use several Mediaplayers like the Xtreamer Sidewinder 2 and the WDTV Live HD ( FW 1.04.22 ) who all detect if a Source has 24 HZNTSC / 24p H264, 50 HZ PAL, 60 HZ NTSC "autmatically" and also displays
    such Framerate/ Refreshrates flawless on the TVs i have.

    Those are 2x LG32 LE 5300 edged LED TVS using HDMI.

    Whatever i feed the BDP 3200 / 12 FW 1.66 Mediaplayer with having 23,9xx Frames NTSC or 24 P H264 it plays at 60 HZ NTSC which looks horrible wrong and stutters like hell. It does wrong from USB and also if i copy MKV, Xvid,MP4 to a Data DVD.

    Working is the DVD / Blu Ray Playback.
    Here it detects the 50Hz Pal /60Hz NTSC /24 Hz Blu Rays flawless alltime and also on the TV the accurate Framerate is displayed/played without any stutters.

    I have all Video settings to HDMI AUTO.

    Even if i change to 1080p/24 HZ manually in the Video Settings the Philips Menu then shows 24p on my TV first Place .

    Once i play any 24Hz Media if Xvid or 24p H264 MKV / MP4 it still plays with 60 HZ which is entirely wrong.
    If i then stop the Playback the Dsiplay is also showing at 60 Hz until i power off on again.


    My TV sure supports 24p and even my old Philips "DVD" PLayer plays Xvid 24 HZSources flawless and autodetects
    it alltime if i switch from 29,x Frames Vob to 23,9x Frames Xvid back to 25 Frames and so on.

    All Sources i have tested are accurate made 25 HZ, or 24Hz Sources which all other Mediaplayers detect like a charm.
    I also tried different cables and different HDMI Ports without any changes.

    I also did Factory Resets without any changes.



    Media Info Logs :


    MKV Source example

    Format : Matroska
    Format version : Version 1
    File size : 1.38 GiB
    Duration : 57mn 5s
    Overall bit rate : 3 463 Kbps
    Encoded date : UTC 2011-11-23 20:15:41
    Writing application : mkvmerge v2.2.0 ('Turn It On Again') built on Mar 4 2008 12:58:26
    Writing library : libebml v0.7.7 + libmatroska v0.8.1

    Video
    ID : 1
    Format : AVC
    Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec
    Format profile : High@L3.1
    Format settings, CABAC : Yes
    Format settings, ReFrames : 3 frames
    Codec ID : V_MPEG4/ISO/AVC
    Duration : 57mn 5s
    Bit rate : 3 260 Kbps
    Width : 1 280 pixels
    Height : 720 pixels
    Display aspect ratio : 16:9
    Frame rate : 23.976 fps
    Color space : YUV
    Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
    Bit depth : 8 bits
    Scan type : Progressive
    Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.148
    Stream size : 1.28 GiB (92%)
    Writing library : x264 core 85 r1442tw
    Encoding settings : cabac=1 / ref=3 / deblock=1:0:0 / analyse=0x3:0x113 / me=hex / subme=6 / psy=1 / psy_rd=1.00:0.00 / mixed_ref=0 / me_range=16 / chroma_me=1 / trellis=1 / 8x8dct=1 / cqm=0 / deadzone=21,11 / fast_pskip=1 / chroma_qp_offset=-2 / threads=30 / sliced_threads=0 / nr=0 / decimate=1 / mbaff=0 / constrained_intra=0 / bframes=6 / b_pyramid=1 / b_adapt=1 / b_bias=0 / direct=1 / wpredb=1 / wpredp=0 / keyint=240 / keyint_min=24 / scenecut=40 / intra_refresh=0 / rc_lookahead=40 / rc=2pass / mbtree=1 / bitrate=3260 / ratetol=1.0 / qcomp=0.60 / qpmin=10 / qpmax=51 / qpstep=4 / cplxblur=20.0 / qblur=0.5 / ip_ratio=1.40 / aq=1:1.00

    Audio
    ID : 2
    Format : AC-3
    Format/Info : Audio Coding 3
    Mode extension : CM (complete main)
    Codec ID : A_AC3
    Duration : 57mn 5s
    Bit rate mode : Constant
    Bit rate : 192 Kbps
    Channel(s) : 2 channels
    Channel positions : Front: L R
    Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
    Bit depth : 16 bits
    Compression mode : Lossy
    Stream size : 78.4 MiB (6%)


    XviD Source Example:

    Format : AVI
    Format/Info : Audio Video Interleave
    File size : 700 MiB
    Duration : 55mn 22s
    Overall bit rate : 1 766 Kbps
    Writing application : VirtualDubMod 1.5.10.2 (build 2540/release)
    Writing library : VirtualDubMod build 2540/release

    Video
    ID : 0
    Format : MPEG-4 Visual
    Format profile : Advanced Simple@L5
    Format settings, BVOP : 1
    Format settings, QPel : No
    Format settings, GMC : No warppoints
    Format settings, Matrix : Default (MPEG)
    Muxing mode : Packed bitstream
    Codec ID : XVID
    Codec ID/Hint : XviD
    Duration : 55mn 22s
    Bit rate : 1 309 Kbps
    Width : 608 pixels
    Height : 256 pixels
    Display aspect ratio : 2.40:1
    Frame rate : 23.976 fps
    Color space : YUV
    Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
    Bit depth : 8 bits
    Scan type : Progressive
    Compression mode : Lossy
    Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.351
    Stream size : 518 MiB (74%)
    Writing library : XviD 64

    Audio
    ID : 1
    Format : AC-3
    Format/Info : Audio Coding 3
    Mode extension : CM (complete main)
    Codec ID : 2000
    Duration : 55mn 22s
    Bit rate mode : Constant
    Bit rate : 448 Kbps
    Channel(s) : 6 channels
    Channel positions : Front: L C R, Side: L R, LFE
    Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
    Bit depth : 16 bits
    Compression mode : Lossy
    Stream size : 177 MiB (25%)
    Alignment : Split accross interleaves
    Interleave, duration : 42 ms (1.00 video frame)
    Interleave, preload duration : 500 ms
    Last edited by Azumi; 11-27-2011 at 05:37 PM.

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    http://www.supportforum.philips.com/...ht=codec+table

    Format profile : High@L3.1 not supported for MKV, Format profile : Advanced Simple@L5 not supported for avi?

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    Its same behave with supported Profiles
    The BDP 3200/12 integrated Mediaplayer always plays 24 HZ MKV/MP4 and NTSC XviD Sources with the wrong 60 HZ



    Example 1

    Video
    ID : 1
    Format : AVC
    Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec
    Format profile : High@L4.1
    Format settings, CABAC : Yes
    Format settings, ReFrames : 5 frames
    Codec ID : V_MPEG4/ISO/AVC
    Duration : 2h 7mn
    Bit rate : 2 278 Kbps
    Width : 1 280 pixels
    Height : 544 pixels
    Display aspect ratio : 2.35:1
    Frame rate : 23.976 fps
    Color space : YUV
    Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
    Bit depth : 8 bits
    Scan type : Progressive
    Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.136
    Stream size : 2.03 GiB (59%)
    Writing library : x264 core 116 r2074 2641b9e
    Encoding settings : cabac=1 / ref=5 / deblock=1:0:0 / analyse=0x3:0x133 / me=umh / subme=7 / psy=1 / psy_rd=1.00:0.15 / mixed_ref=1 / me_range=16 / chroma_me=1 / trellis=1 / 8x8dct=1 / cqm=0 / deadzone=21,11 / fast_pskip=0 / chroma_qp_offset=-3 / threads=12 / sliced_threads=0 / nr=0 / decimate=1 / interlaced=0 / bluray_compat=0 / constrained_intra=0 / bframes=3 / b_pyramid=2 / b_adapt=1 / b_bias=0 / direct=3 / weightb=1 / open_gop=0 / weightp=2 / keyint=250 / keyint_min=23 / scenecut=40 / intra_refresh=0 / rc_lookahead=40 / rc=crf / mbtree=1 / crf=20.0 / qcomp=0.60 / qpmin=0 / qpmax=69 / qpstep=4 / ip_ratio=1.40 / aq=1:1.00


    Example 2:


    Sample Videos:

    MKV/H264/High@L4.1 ( 30 MB )
    http://www.mediafire.com/?zzvlad83jw42sn9

    Sample Video XviD (55 MB )
    XviD 1.2.1
    http://www.mediafire.com/?xapbi9sa7f4ok3o


    Video
    ID : 1
    Format : AVC
    Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec
    Format profile : High@L4.1
    Format settings, CABAC : Yes
    Format settings, ReFrames : 5 frames
    Format settings, GOP : M=2, N=24
    Codec ID : V_MPEG4/ISO/AVC
    Duration : 51s 593ms
    Bit rate : 4 367 Kbps
    Width : 1 280 pixels
    Height : 720 pixels
    Display aspect ratio : 16:9
    Frame rate : 23.976 fps
    Color space : YUV
    Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
    Bit depth : 8 bits
    Scan type : Progressive
    Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.198
    Stream size : 26.9 MiB (94%)
    Language : English

    Audio
    ID : 2
    Format : AC-3
    Format/Info : Audio Coding 3
    Mode extension : CM (complete main)
    Codec ID : A_AC3
    Duration : 51s 592ms
    Bit rate mode : Constant
    Bit rate : 192 Kbps
    Channel(s) : 2 channels
    Channel positions : Front: L R
    Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
    Bit depth : 16 bits
    Compression mode : Lossy
    Stream size : 1.18 MiB (4%)
    Language : English / German


    Example 3:

    Video
    ID : 1
    Format : AVC
    Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec
    Format profile : High@L4.1
    Format settings, CABAC : Yes
    Format settings, ReFrames : 5 frames
    Codec ID : V_MPEG4/ISO/AVC
    Duration : 2h 26mn
    Bit rate : 3 272 Kbps
    Width : 1 920 pixels
    Height : 800 pixels
    Display aspect ratio : 2.40:1
    Frame rate : 23.976 fps
    Color space : YUV
    Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
    Bit depth : 8 bits
    Scan type : Progressive
    Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.089
    Stream size : 3.34 GiB (59%)
    Writing library : x264 core 114 r1924 08d04a4
    Encoding settings : cabac=1 / ref=5 / deblock=1:0:0 / analyse=0x3:0x133 / me=umh / subme=7 / psy=1 / psy_rd=1.00:0.00 / mixed_ref=1 / me_range=16 / chroma_me=1 / trellis=1 / 8x8dct=1 / cqm=0 / deadzone=21,11 / fast_pskip=0 / chroma_qp_offset=-2 / threads=6 / sliced_threads=0 / nr=0 / decimate=1 / interlaced=0 / constrained_intra=0 / bframes=3 / b_pyramid=2 / b_adapt=1 / b_bias=0 / direct=3 / weightb=1 / open_gop=0 / weightp=2 / keyint=250 / keyint_min=23 / scenecut=40 / intra_refresh=0 / rc_lookahead=40 / rc=crf / mbtree=1 / crf=20.0 / qcomp=0.60 / qpmin=0 / qpmax=69 / qpstep=4 / ip_ratio=1.40 / aq=1:1.00

    Audio #1
    ID : 2
    Format : AC-3
    Format/Info : Audio Coding 3
    Mode extension : CM (complete main)
    Codec ID : A_AC3
    Duration : 2h 26mn
    Bit rate mode : Constant
    Bit rate : 640 Kbps
    Channel(s) : 6 channels
    Channel positions : Front: L C R, Side: L R, LFE
    Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
    Bit depth : 16 bits
    Compression mode : Lossy
    Stream size : 669 MiB (12%)
    Title : AC3


    Example 4:


    Sample Video:
    http://www.mediafire.com/?djdj3cwe1k28mv1


    720p_test_sample2_24_HZ.mkv
    Format : Matroska
    Format version : Version 2
    File size : 24.0 MiB
    Duration : 44s 211ms
    Overall bit rate : 4 552 Kbps
    Writing application : mkvmerge v4.9.1 ('Ich will') gebaut am Jul 11 2011 23:53:15
    Writing library : libebml v1.2.1 + libmatroska v1.1.1

    Video
    ID : 1
    Format : AVC
    Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec
    Format profile : High@L4.1
    Format settings, CABAC : Yes
    Format settings, ReFrames : 3 frames
    Format settings, GOP : M=3, N=33
    Codec ID : V_MPEG4/ISO/AVC
    Duration : 44s 211ms
    Bit rate mode : Variable
    Bit rate : 4 270 Kbps
    Maximum bit rate : 10 000 Kbps
    Width : 1 280 pixels
    Height : 720 pixels
    Display aspect ratio : 16:9
    Frame rate : 23.976 fps
    Standard : NTSC
    Color space : YUV
    Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
    Bit depth : 8 bits
    Scan type : Progressive
    Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.193
    Stream size : 22.5 MiB (94%)
    Color primaries : BT.709-5, BT.1361, IEC 61966-2-4, SMPTE RP177
    Transfer characteristics : BT.709-5, BT.1361
    Matrix coefficients : BT.709-5, BT.1361, IEC 61966-2-4 709, SMPTE RP177

    Audio
    ID : 2
    Format : AC-3
    Format/Info : Audio Coding 3
    Mode extension : CM (complete main)
    Codec ID : A_AC3
    Duration : 44s 211ms
    Bit rate mode : Constant
    Bit rate : 192 Kbps
    Channel(s) : 2 channels
    Channel positions : Front: L R
    Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
    Bit depth : 16 bits
    Compression mode : Lossy
    Stream size : 1.01 MiB (4%)



    Xvid Profiles are not even listed in this Excel Sheet

    Fact is that the Player is not working correct with NTSC Xvid 23,9xx Frames and H264/Mp4 24p Profiles

    Even the FActs Sheet shows it supports XviD

    http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/A1Hnn7kLWdS.pdf

    If the Levels were unsupported ( H264 Low Profiles and so on the Player wouldnt even play them usually.

    I really think this Codec sheet is not accurate Updated.
    Last edited by Azumi; 11-29-2011 at 10:55 AM.

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    Hi Azumi,

    Thanks for your sample videos.

    We are currently looking into your issue.

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    Dear users,

    Yes, we support xvid.
    The issue to us is about playing back content with 24Hz (24p) and that you are always getting 60Hz. We support 24Hz/24p but the output to HDMI will vary depending on the HDMI setting in the menu and also the capability of the TV.

    • If BDP HDMI setting is set to “Manual”, it will output 24Hz/24p to TV if it is set to 1080p/24Hz.
    • If BDP HDMI setting is set to “Auto”, it will check the EDID of the TV, if the TV support 1080p/24Hz, then it will output as such.

    Otherwise, our players will always output 60Hz as mentioned. We advise to check these options and come back to us your testing results.

    Sorry for the inconvenience caused to you.

    Kind regards,
    Philips Moderation Team
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    The DVD/ Blu Ray Framerate Detection works like a charm.
    Thats why i always luv Philps DVD and Blu Ray Players.
    They are Quality Hardware.

    50 HZ Pal plays 50 HZ Pal ( Also displayed on the TV)
    60 HZ NTSC Plays 60 HZ ( Also displayed on the TV )
    24Hz Blu Rays play 24 HZ (Also displayed on the TV)

    The issue is a "Mediaplayer" only Problem like i noticed.
    It does again NOT affect the Blu Ray Playback.

    I do not see this Problems in my TV since all Mediaplayers i use, also the elder Philips DVD Players detect a Hz change flawless.

    If you still do not believe me that my TV is able to play 24p
    here are the facts

    http://www.lg.com/de/tv-heimkino-blu...v-55LE5300.jsp

    http://www.lg.com/us/tv-audio-video/...v-42LE5300.jsp


    ARC (Aspect Ratio Correction)
    8 Modi (16:9/Just Scan/Original/Full Wide/4:3/14:9/Zoom/Cinema Zoom1)
    24p Real Cinema (24p 5:5 Pull Down)
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    AV Modus
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    Ja
    MCI
    100 Hz
    XD Dual Engine™
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    Ja
    Unterstützt 1080p/24p
    Ja


    Last edited by Azumi; 12-09-2011 at 06:57 PM.

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    Hi,

    my BDP 3280 is having the same error. When playing videos with the mediaplayer it's switching to 60hz no matter what framerate the files have.

    When will an update become available?

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    i m not quite understand the issue here.
    isn't 60hz somewhat better?
    do you see a downgrade in picture quality for this?

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    It is a huge difference if a Video which usually has to be played with 23,9x ( 24 Frames ) is faulty played with 30 Frames second. Its stutterly like crazy and looks UGLY.



    It looks like if you see a car moving from right to left and someone has cutted out pictures, so the car doesnt moves smooth anymore.
    Last edited by Azumi; 01-17-2012 at 06:29 PM.

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