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    BDP3280/12 AVCHD/Blu-Ray playback problem

    Hi,

    I recorded many videos from german television with my dreambox.
    When I put the ts-files onto a usb flash drive or burn them on DVD/Blu Ray (data disc) everything plays fine.
    MKV works fine too, seems to be fixed a while ago.
    http://www.supportforum.philips.com/...-mkv-container

    When I create an AVCHD-DVD or Blu-Ray from the same recordings the video is stuttering extremly.
    It happens with all 720p footage, 1080i is okay.

    MediaInfo:

    1. TS
    Code:
    Format                                   : MPEG-TS
    File size                                : 2.53 GiB
    Duration                                 : 46mn 57s
    Overall bit rate                         : 7 709 Kbps
    
    Video
    ID                                       : 6010 (0x177A)
    Menu ID                                  : 11100 (0x2B5C)
    Format                                   : AVC
    Format/Info                              : Advanced Video Codec
    Format profile                           : High@L4.0
    Format settings, CABAC                   : Yes
    Format settings, ReFrames                : 5 frames
    Format settings, GOP                     : M=16, N=32
    Codec ID                                 : 27
    Duration                                 : 46mn 57s
    Bit rate mode                            : Variable
    Bit rate                                 : 6 358 Kbps
    Maximum bit rate                         : 11.5 Mbps
    Width                                    : 1 280 pixels
    Height                                   : 720 pixels
    Display aspect ratio                     : 16:9
    Frame rate                               : 50.000 fps
    Color space                              : YUV
    Chroma subsampling                       : 4:2:0
    Bit depth                                : 8 bits
    Scan type                                : Progressive
    Bits/(Pixel*Frame)                       : 0.138
    Stream size                              : 2.09 GiB (82%)
    Color primaries                          : BT.709-5, BT.1361, IEC 61966-2-4, SMPTE RP177
    Transfer characteristics                 : BT.709-5, BT.1361
    Matrix coefficients                      : BT.709-5, BT.1361, IEC 61966-2-4 709, SMPTE RP177
    2. MKV

    Code:
    Format                                   : Matroska
    Format version                           : Version 1
    File size                                : 2.30 GiB
    Duration                                 : 46mn 59s
    Overall bit rate                         : 7 000 Kbps
    Encoded date                             : UTC 2012-04-16 09:06:09
    Writing library                          : Haali DirectShow Matroska Muxer 1.11.96.14
    
    Video
    ID                                       : 1
    Format                                   : AVC
    Format/Info                              : Advanced Video Codec
    Format profile                           : High@L4.0
    Format settings, CABAC                   : Yes
    Format settings, ReFrames                : 5 frames
    Format settings, GOP                     : M=16, N=32
    Codec ID                                 : V_MPEG4/ISO/AVC
    Duration                                 : 46mn 59s
    Bit rate mode                            : Variable
    Bit rate                                 : 5 901 Kbps
    Maximum bit rate                         : 11.5 Mbps
    Width                                    : 1 280 pixels
    Height                                   : 720 pixels
    Display aspect ratio                     : 16:9
    Frame rate                               : 50.000 fps
    Color space                              : YUV
    Chroma subsampling                       : 4:2:0
    Bit depth                                : 8 bits
    Scan type                                : Progressive
    Bits/(Pixel*Frame)                       : 0.128
    Stream size                              : 1.94 GiB (84%)
    Title                                    : PID 6010 Video
    Color primaries                          : BT.709-5, BT.1361, IEC 61966-2-4, SMPTE RP177
    Transfer characteristics                 : BT.709-5, BT.1361
    Matrix coefficients                      : BT.709-5, BT.1361, IEC 61966-2-4 709, SMPTE RP177
    3. AVCHD/Blu Ray

    Code:
    Format                                   : BDAV
    Format/Info                              : Blu-ray Video
    File size                                : 2.32 GiB
    Duration                                 : 46mn 58s
    Overall bit rate                         : 7 061 Kbps
    Maximum Overall bit rate                 : 35.5 Mbps
    
    Video
    ID                                       : 4113 (0x1011)
    Menu ID                                  : 1 (0x1)
    Format                                   : AVC
    Format/Info                              : Advanced Video Codec
    Format profile                           : High@L4.0
    Format settings, CABAC                   : Yes
    Format settings, ReFrames                : 5 frames
    Format settings, GOP                     : M=16, N=32
    Codec ID                                 : 27
    Duration                                 : 46mn 58s
    Bit rate mode                            : Variable
    Bit rate                                 : 6 325 Kbps
    Maximum bit rate                         : 11.5 Mbps
    Width                                    : 1 280 pixels
    Height                                   : 720 pixels
    Display aspect ratio                     : 16:9
    Frame rate                               : 50.000 fps
    Color space                              : YUV
    Chroma subsampling                       : 4:2:0
    Bit depth                                : 8 bits
    Scan type                                : Progressive
    Bits/(Pixel*Frame)                       : 0.137
    Stream size                              : 2.08 GiB (90%)
    Color primaries                          : BT.709-5, BT.1361, IEC 61966-2-4, SMPTE RP177
    Transfer characteristics                 : BT.709-5, BT.1361
    Matrix coefficients                      : BT.709-5, BT.1361, IEC 61966-2-4 709, SMPTE RP177
    Looking forward to your reply.
    Best regards

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    Hi,

    I figured out a couple of things:

    - the 3280/12 is able to play Main@L4.0 content
    - it can play AVCHD/BR files from usb drive
    You have to create a folder "AVCHD" to root of USB flash drive and into that folder copy the BDMV directory.

    Relating to the AVCHD/Blu-Ray playback problem, I noticed that it has nothing to do with 720p or 1080i. I recorded some 720p stuff from Austrian and Swiss TV channels and they work fine (mkv and AVCHD)

    for example:
    Code:
    Format                           : BDAV
    Format/Info                      : Advanced Video Codec
    File size                        : 26.3 MiB
    Duration                         : 22s 120ms
    Overall bit rate                 : 9 978 Kbps
    Maximum Overall bit rate         : 35.5 Mbps
    
    Video
    ID                               : 4113 (0x1011)
    Menu ID                          : 1 (0x1)
    Format                           : AVC
    Format/Info                      : Advanced Video Codec
    Format profile                   : Main@L4.0
    Format settings, CABAC           : Yes
    Format settings, ReFrames        : 2 frames
    Format settings, GOP             : M=3, N=12
    Codec ID                         : 27
    Duration                         : 22s 180ms
    Bit rate mode                    : Variable
    Bit rate                         : 9 126 Kbps
    Maximum bit rate                 : 9 000 Kbps
    Width                            : 1 280 pixels
    Height                           : 720 pixels
    Display aspect ratio             : 16:9
    Frame rate                       : 50.000 fps
    Color space                      : YUV
    Chroma subsampling               : 4:2:0
    Bit depth                        : 8 bits
    Scan type                        : Progressive
    Bits/(Pixel*Frame)               : 0.198
    Stream size                      : 24.1 MiB (92%)
    Color primaries                  : BT.709-5, BT.1361, IEC 61966-2-4, SMPTE RP177
    Transfer characteristics         : BT.709-5, BT.1361
    Matrix coefficients              : BT.709-5, BT.1361, IEC 61966-2-4 709, SMPTE RP177
    or

    Code:
    Format                           : BDAV
    Format/Info                      : Advanced Video Codec
    File size                        : 20.3 MiB
    Duration                         : 15s 200ms
    Overall bit rate                 : 11.2 Mbps
    Maximum Overall bit rate         : 35.5 Mbps
    
    Video
    ID                               : 4113 (0x1011)
    Menu ID                          : 1 (0x1)
    Format                           : AVC
    Format/Info                      : Advanced Video Codec
    Format profile                   : High@L4.0
    Format settings, CABAC           : Yes
    Format settings, ReFrames        : 3 frames
    Format settings, GOP             : M=2, N=24
    Codec ID                         : 27
    Duration                         : 15s 300ms
    Bit rate mode                    : Variable
    Bit rate                         : 10.3 Mbps
    Maximum bit rate                 : 40.0 Mbps
    Width                            : 1 280 pixels
    Height                           : 720 pixels
    Display aspect ratio             : 16:9
    Frame rate                       : 50.000 fps
    Standard                         : Component
    Color space                      : YUV
    Chroma subsampling               : 4:2:0
    Bit depth                        : 8 bits
    Scan type                        : Progressive
    Bits/(Pixel*Frame)               : 0.223
    Stream size                      : 18.7 MiB (92%)
    Color primaries                  : BT.709-5, BT.1361, IEC 61966-2-4, SMPTE RP177
    Transfer characteristics         : BT.709-5, BT.1361
    Matrix coefficients              : BT.709-5, BT.1361, IEC 61966-2-4 709, SMPTE RP177
    Therefore I think the AVCHD/Blu-Ray playback problem with german television has to do with:

    Code:
    Format settings, ReFrames                : 5 frames
    Format settings, GOP                     : M=16, N=32
    Would be great if you can fix it. Please tell me if you need a video file to reproduce the problem.

    Regards
    Last edited by JunePaik; 04-17-2012 at 01:26 PM.

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    Did you try with a different framerate already?

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    No, I want to avoid reencoding the video.

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    I understand that but looking at the other thread when user did this it solved the problem....worth a try and to let us know the outcome

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    hi there,
    when i look into the codec table (your model is a 2011 model), it only support these video formats:
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    hence, ts, bdav, may not be supported. also when you look at the frame rate, it's from 6-30. here you have 50. so this may lead to playability issue.

    i also share the same thought with oscar, maybe you hv to convert/ encode your files again.
    Last edited by Philips - QK; 04-19-2012 at 05:29 AM.

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    hence, ts, bdav, may not be supported. also when you look at the frame rate, it's from 6-30. here you have 50. so this may lead to playability issue.
    Well, ts works fine, bdav works fine too, except for most of the german tv stuff (bdav container (m2ts) = avchd, blu ray format).

    Quote Originally Posted by kwinnie View Post
    i also share the same thought with oscar, maybe you hv to convert/ encode your files again.
    i did..
    another test-recording - don't work
    Format : BDAV
    Format/Info : Blu-ray Video
    File size : 65.1 MiB
    Duration : 43s 460ms
    Overall bit rate : 12.6 Mbps
    Maximum Overall bit rate : 35.5 Mbps

    Video
    ID : 4113 (0x1011)
    Menu ID : 1 (0x1)
    Format : AVC
    Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec
    Format profile : High@L4.0
    Format settings, CABAC : Yes
    Format settings, ReFrames : 5 frames
    Format settings, GOP : M=16, N=32
    Codec ID : 27
    Duration : 43s 220ms
    Bit rate mode : Variable
    Bit rate : 11.5 Mbps
    Width : 1 280 pixels
    Height : 720 pixels
    Display aspect ratio : 16:9
    Frame rate : 50.000 fps
    Color space : YUV
    Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
    Bit depth : 8 bits
    Scan type : Progressive
    Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.250
    Stream size : 59.8 MiB (92%)
    Color primaries : BT.709-5, BT.1361, IEC 61966-2-4, SMPTE RP177
    Transfer characteristics : BT.709-5, BT.1361
    Matrix coefficients : BT.709-5, BT.1361, IEC 61966-2-4 709, SMPTE RP177
    Reencoded using TMPGEnc Authoring Works (same frame rate, resultion, reframes etc.) - work


    Format : BDAV
    Format/Info : Blu-ray Video
    File size : 69.4 MiB
    Duration : 44s 756ms
    Overall bit rate : 13.0 Mbps
    Maximum Overall bit rate : 35.5 Mbps

    Video
    ID : 4113 (0x1011)
    Menu ID : 1 (0x1)
    Format : AVC
    Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec
    Format profile : High@L4.0
    Format settings, CABAC : Yes
    Format settings, ReFrames : 5 frames
    Codec ID : 27
    Duration : 44s 780ms
    Bit rate mode : Variable
    Bit rate : 12.4 Mbps
    Width : 1 280 pixels
    Height : 720 pixels
    Display aspect ratio : 16:9
    Frame rate : 50.000 fps
    Standard : PAL
    Color space : YUV
    Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
    Bit depth : 8 bits
    Scan type : Progressive
    Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.269
    Stream size : 64.2 MiB (92%)
    Writing library : x264 core 114
    Color primaries : BT.709-5, BT.1361, IEC 61966-2-4, SMPTE RP177
    Transfer characteristics : BT.709-5, BT.1361
    Matrix coefficients : BT.709-5, BT.1361, IEC 61966-2-4 709, SMPTE RP177
    As you can see, the only entry missing is:
    Format settings, GOP : M=16, N=32

    This has to be the problem, not the frame rate, file format, container or whatever.
    Exactly the same issue as mentioned in the old thread.

    In some german boards it's already called "philips gop issue"
    Last edited by JunePaik; 04-26-2012 at 12:05 PM.

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