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    Quote Originally Posted by Manuj View Post
    Do you believe some TVs are more affected than others ?
    I can't believe I'm asking too much and just have to forget about sharpness on a full hd tv (my first by the way, I used to have a 720p projector). I have yet to test another brand myself.

    If you can accepts artifacts in the bee movie clip, then that's enough I think. It's much worse than shutter island.
    The whole scene with the pollen boys preparing to leave has fast movements. Comparing TV, PC and tablet makes the TV be very very bad. Still images look great, but I do watch moving actions !

    Maybe Philips can tell more.
    Hello Philips ?
    I cant think why they would be different on different TV's , I do "accept" some artifacts but only because as a previous poster said these systems are not 100% perfect and never have been, - most professional reviewers turn off the motion system which leaves the motion resolution at about 300 lines on led - (That's why they all love plasma as the top ones do 1080 lines with no tricks)

    I read somewhere that the min setting gives around 700 lines roughly which is pretty good, I image max does 1080 but the more aggressive you go the more artifacts you get.

    The Bee movie clip for example I have to stare at the antenna's for that split second, they don't vanish completely just slightly flicker for a split second.

    Anyway I will dig out the shutter island movie tonight and see what its like on mine

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    About bee movie, do you get as close as what I posted ?
    It's not a split of a second on youtube, is it ?

    I begin to have good results with my own video. I'll try to make the worst out of the TV ! And not with extreme stuff (well what is extreme anyway).
    There's a LOT of leakeage with verticals (that we usually get in films, but horizontal is same I think).
    I make the lines stand still on my vids, so interpolation is rather... well... kind of easy.

    But maybe people at Philips could tell what they are up to ?
    Philips people, do you hear me ?
    Last edited by Manuj; 11-06-2012 at 01:19 PM. Reason: typo

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    Quote Originally Posted by Manuj View Post
    About bee movie, dou you get as close as what I posted ?
    It's not a split of a second on youtube, is it ?
    I will check it again tonight

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    Please people who care, check this 3Mb file and the worst effect on this second video. I made them myself as you will understand.
    I used 4shared as I don't know about other convenient way to store online.

    This gets FULL of artifacts (well, that's my opinion that it is abnormal).
    The objects are supposed to be moving in background of the standstill grid.
    When boxes have a solid colors, mostly edges gest artifacts, but on second video the gradient color boxes are just awfull. In between boxes this is bad as well.

    I know the human eye is subject to visual effects. But I feel there's a real defect on the TV, so more than you can understand from such online visual test.

    Dear Philips team, what is your opinion ?
    Thanks for your swift reply.
    Last edited by Manuj; 11-06-2012 at 01:20 PM. Reason: Asking Philips to confirm

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    Quote Originally Posted by Manuj View Post
    Please people who care, check this 3Mb file and the worst effect on this second video. I made them myself as you will understand.
    I used 4shared as I don't know about other convenient way to store online.

    This gets FULL of artifacts (well, that's my opinion that it is abnormal).
    The objects are supposed to be moving in background of the standstill grid.
    When boxes have a solid colors, mostly edges gest artifacts, but on second video the gradient color boxes are just awfull. In between boxes this is bad as well.

    I know the human eye is subject to visual effects. But I feel there's a real defect on the TV, so more than you can understand from such online visual test.

    Dear Philips team, what is your opinion ?
    Thanks for your swift reply.
    No problem I will try them out tonight - are you able to post a video of them playing back on your TV so we can compare

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    I'll have some rest first (and enjoy a film on my tablet maybe )
    Adobe tools are awfull for unprofessionnal people like me.

    But yes, I will.
    I can also change a few settings if someone has some ideas about how to reveal the issue further.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Manuj View Post
    Please people who care, check this 3Mb file and the worst effect on this second video. I made them myself as you will understand.
    I used 4shared as I don't know about other convenient way to store online.

    This gets FULL of artifacts (well, that's my opinion that it is abnormal).
    The objects are supposed to be moving in background of the standstill grid.
    When boxes have a solid colors, mostly edges gest artifacts, but on second video the gradient color boxes are just awfull. In between boxes this is bad as well.

    I know the human eye is subject to visual effects. But I feel there's a real defect on the TV, so more than you can understand from such online visual test.

    Dear Philips team, what is your opinion ?
    Thanks for your swift reply.
    Hi Manuj,

    Tried to DL your file, but this 4Shared website keeps on asking me to login. I don't want that kind of hassle. Please use another, more easy, way to make it available.

    Reading all the posts in this thread, I think this whole thing is a bit "overhyped" by you and some others here (main complainers are only 4 or 5 persons). Maybe they all work at Smsng?

    The explanation of "petasis" was very good. Trying all the movies and scenes you mentioned on my own TV (6097), did reveal a similar behavior, but I think all TV's (in this price range) suffer in a certain extend from these "artefacts", especially in these specific difficult scenes.

    When I set PNM to MIN, the picture is excellent, even though I see some artefacts. I just do not focus on them. It looks like you are only watching a movie to spot artefacts! Why not lean back, relax and start enjoying the movie? Is it your profession to spot artefacts?

    BTW, I am curious: what is your picture profile setting? MOVIE/STANDARD/GAME/VIVID/etc.? And what are the other Perfect Pixel settings?

    Rgrds,
    WD85

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    I will move the files.

    If I take time to make test files, it is to show that I'm not dreaming. The 6097 is different (PNM is enabled and PMR is 600MHz right ?). I just can't set PNM to min !

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    Trying again. Could anyone confimr this is functional ?

    Here is a new set of files (same 4 videos + 5th)
    Some moving objects behind static lines and contrary.

    @Watchdog85
    I'll also put those onto a usb stick and try to find a shop with a model close to yours (Thus with PNM and PMR 600). I still can't imagine I am nitpicking... and I also want to believe you. Maybe only the 6007 models are the worst and I'd be then glad to propose to pay a few more for a better quality.

    Philips, is this HDNM issue only or worse on pfl6007 ?
    Thanks
    Last edited by Manuj; 11-06-2012 at 08:59 PM. Reason: New set of files

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    Quote Originally Posted by Manuj View Post
    Trying again. Could anyone confimr this is functional ?

    File 1, few artifacts
    Much more artifacts. Keep focussing on the lines, not just follow the moving objects.
    File 3, moving lines
    File 4 moving lines

    @Watchdog85
    I'll also put those onto a usb stick and try to find a shop with a model close to yours (Thus with PNM and PMR 600). I still can't imagine I am nitpicking... and I also want to believe you. Maybe only the 6007 models are the worst and I'd be then glad to propose to pay a few more for a better quality.

    Philips, is this HDNM issue only or worse on pfl6007 ?
    Thanks
    Links works just fine. I'll try them later on my 6007.

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    for people trying to reproduce the bug in order to capture it on video, I suggest you try the final scene from Men in Black 3 with the camera travelling from top of the rocket, the upper part of the screen looks pixellised as long as the camera scrolls down. You can also watch Alexander, particularly the final battle in India that is completely blurred by artefacts especially when Colin Farrell is riding fast and the elephants are charging on him. The same scene on a Samsung at 800mz was perfectly clear. I noticed artefacts on LG tv screens too, but of a different kind. With the 6007 on dvd I noticed that he opening scene of Ong Bak produces artefacts when the guys are falling from the tree ...
    As I previously mentioned it, I tried two other tvs from Philips, same 6000 series, one was identic to mine ie 55PFL6007H, the other was the 47PFL6067H. The last one was producing a bit less artefacts (it's faster at 600mhz) but had too many ... My son had ordered one and prefered cancelling the order before the delivery to delay his purchase.

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    i have 42pfl6097/k (600Hz)and i have same problem like manuj.

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    phone does not detect so much but in "reality" is very noticeable.

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